Failing to dodge Shatter as the tank is gonna wipe you, but not quite as quickly or efficiently as failing to dodge the charge-up slam thingy that Ozruk does. AMS does not materially change this equation.

I’m sure it’s part my fault for jumping right onto the Cata train, but I assumed after WOTLK’s success and level of polish Blizzard would nail it again, or at least the content would last long enough for them to crank out a nice patch. It didn’t. They didn’t.

When I’d quit WoW before, I always left… a little sad, really. In my mind, the game had run out of content, or worse, guild drama had made me throw up my hands and say “this really isn’t worth it anymore,” which is a depressing, not angry, feeling.

Cataclysm? I left feeling some combination of anger and relief. There was no guild drama. There was no running out of content. I never killed more than one raid boss. The problem was the content just… wasn’t well-designed.

Well there are several questions in there and it’s hard to answer each one individually since they’re all intertwined, but I’ll try:

Rift at its core design is closest to Burning Crusade (big quest hubs, lots of quests in the same area, lots of follow up quests) and its amount and quality of late/endgame content is at WoW Classic release level (unsurprising, it’s a new MMO – granted it DOES have heroic versions of all the dungeons like BC). In that regard, yeah, it’s closer to what I want in an MMO, so I’m enjoying it.

In terms of holding up for me, I’d say it’s too early to tell. You level pretty quickly if you try a smattering of everything the game has to offer (quests, PvP, dungeons, rifts) so I haven’t been putting an obsessive amount of time into it (there’s also the reason that my main is a Mage, which is currently in shambles balance-wise). 50 is the cap, which is probably too low, (I’ve skipped entire quest zones because I stopped to do dungeons/rifts/PvP and flat out-leveled the content), but they made their cap around their content and not the other way around. The newness and not-WoWness of it is absolutely a positive factor, but I don’t think it’s the only one.

In terms of legs in general, that’s entirely up to the direction Trion takes the game. There are essentially two warring camps – one that wants RvR, DAOC-style open-world PVP, and one that wants more raids and dungeons and stuff. So far Trion has talked about adding both of those things in some incarnation (the PVE obviously being much easier to add), but it’s hard to tell if that plan will hold up.

You’ll see the MMO tourists and rush-to-cap powergamers (PVE and PVP) cancel their subscriptions before the first billing cycle (about two weeks out). That’s a given.

Sidenote: I have to roll my eyes at the players who spend all their time rushing to the level cap, then all their time grinding heroic dungeons, then all their time raiding, wonder why the hell there’s no more content despite a /played of 100+ hours or something, come on the forums and cry about it, announce they’re quitting, and then lie about how easy it all is and how it takes no time and you better quit too.

Wow has been interesting, as a total newbie. Some very funny quest lines, some surprisingly touching ones. Some “I really HATE YOU WOW” moments too.

One thing that strikes me is how virtually everyone expects you to be an alt, and to know every instance by heart. Since I actually like MMO’s to be social, I chat and try to make fun of stuff during instances, and yet I’d say that 90% of the ones I’ve done are very silent affairs.

Finishing magister’s terrace some days ago one player stayed and we chatted for a while. To my amusement, he was very surprised to find out this was my first run in WoW. He actually mentioned how rare it was to meet a “new, really new player”. Wonder if the game’s population has stabilized somehow and there aren’t a lot of real newbies coming in?

Oh, and also interesting: some “peer pressure” to level. “Why are you still 70? do you LIKE being a lame lvl 70 warrior?”

So that new winged lion mount is the next store mount. I guess Blizzard needed some cash.

Oh my god, I need it

Since about mid-January, my guild has consistently had to cancel about two-thirds of our scheduled raids. If we could get 10 people with the right combination of tanks, healers, and dps online, we had no problems downing a new boss on either the first or second night of attempts, but the stars had to align perfectly for us to actually run a raid together. Our officers tried to recruit, but the effort proved futile; we had the classic catch-22 problem of not being able to attract quality players because our progression was lackluster (only 7/14 this tier), but we couldn’t improve our progression because of too many cancelled raids. The GM asked me if I was willing to become an officer and help the guild rebuild, but I politely declined as I have absolutely zero desire to be anything other than a regular member.

A few of our members received offers to join another guild which would allow them to raid more frequently, but they chose to stay with us out of loyalty. The GM didn’t want to hold them back, so last week he declared that we’re no longer an active raiding guild and anyone could leave with a clear conscience.

Like RobotPants in the quote below, the only thing that was keeping me motivated to login was the friendship, jokes, and camaraderie with my guildmates during raids, so with that gone, I really don’t have a reason to play anymore. Maybe it’s because the current tier of raids are really unimaginative (BWD feels like a rehash of BWL/UBRS, and BoT is generic fantasy dungeon #18), or maybe after nearly six years of progression raiding I’m just burnt out on pressing “2,2,2,2,2,3” ad nauseam. Either way, I don’t really feel any desire to apply to another guild at this point, so I’m going to take an extended (and perhaps permanent, but you never know…) WoW break.

That said, I am a bit bummed to see my guild fall apart, but at least there was no drama and everyone is still on good terms. I even made two RL friends (a husband/wife tandem) from the guild after we discovered we live in the same city.

Damn right about Ulduar. IMO, the two best raids Blizzard ever made were Ulduar and Karazhan.

This. Cloak of Shadows doesn’t stop it, I don’t see AMS doing any better. They lowered the damage on it, so you can possibly survive, but not for long (I think it hits for around 110-120k now).

Ozruk is pretty easy once you get used to him. Its just the whole process of getting used to him and having to deal with healers who often refuse to move when the fight does.

Basically just never let him face the group, run after paralyze and run through him on ground slam. The only time he should ever face the group is immediately after ground slam. I’ve seen quite a few tanks try to keep the fight near where it starts and have him do ground slam 1 second after a shatter - which means he is now facing the group.

And don’t shield slam his ‘thingie’ off, if you’re a prot warrior :P

And yell at your mages before you even fight the guy cause one of them will spellsteal it without fail. Even if they’ve never spell stolen anything ever before.

Draught, Athryn.

The Bears miss you. At least I miss you. Come back sometime.

Your favorite,
Cal.

Karazhan was an awesome instance. It was frustrating at times (“I will not move when Flame Wreath is cast or the raid blows up”) but nevertheless was fun. Loved the Opera House.

"Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this evening’s presentation! Tonight, things are not what they seem… for tonight your eyes may not be trusted! Take for instance this quiet elderly woman waiting for a visit from her granddaughter… surely there is nothing to fear from this sweet, gray-haired old lady! But don’t let me pull the wool over your eyes! See for yourself what lies beneath those covers! And now… on with the show! "

Even though I do not play WoW anymore I still have a ton of fond memories of the game. :)

Wish I had read the whole thread before playing the game, but the sheer number of pages… a bit overwhelming. Certainly learned a lot these past couple days while reading.

I thought EVE had a lot of hardcore douchebags, man I wasn’t ready for WoW. While doing instances, I’ve seen perfectly fine tanks get kicked (for laughs, I suspect), one even asked “guys, am I really that terrible?” while the rest of the party made fun of him even more.

Most instances are a blur, just running from one mob to the other, and the tanks that go easy find themselves wrapped in L2TANK NOOB RETARD GO FASTER PULL MORE it got so when I hit 70 I decided to solo all of the previous, easy instances I could so as to, you know, look at the place, wonder at the architecture, the music, get a chance to read the dialogs etc.

Then I learned it’s just the luck of the draw. I decided to try being a tank and created a Taureen paladin (samuelvimes, obvious I know but I am in love with the char at the moment). In the very first instance I got I was a nervous wreck, and decided to be upfront “you guys are in luck” I said as it started “you have the pleasure of helping me pop my cherry as a tank”. There were a lot of good spirited “oh, god!” but mostly people were helpful and gave me tips.

I have done it, dunno, some 4 or 5 times since (in the process I outleveled everything in my quest log) and it was mostly ok, least haven’t been kicked yet (in one I fell off a cliff into the water below, immediately typed “GENTLEMEN, REMOVE YOUR FINGERS FROM THE KICK BUTTON!”, that seemed to made everyone relax and I was allow to go on) but man one can certainly see the pressure. I admire the people who put the effort into being good tanks.

Thing is, being a tank is the only way I’ve gotten to kinda have the time to take in the sights and appreciate the content.

Now, what I really can not stand are the stupid idiots who, as soon as the alliance captures ONE flag in Warsong start with the “OMG YOU GUYS SUCK YOU NOOB RETARDS” shit. Yeah, way to build team spirit there dude.

Maybe some people have been playing so long they can only do bitter vet mode now.

Another thing (and not complaining btw, just commenting on it). It’s pretty daunting to be a newbie in Wow. The game makes leveling VERY easy, but hides a lot of information.

For example, I never knew that as a warrior (Zacariasfuri, my current lvl 70 AND HAPPY TO BE SO Orc) I should carry a shield and a one hander for pvp, or that I should use macros (yeah, didn’t know) or even what macros are and why would I want them.

I didn´t know about honor vendors and how it worked and when I did I discovered I could take off everything, and I mean every single piece of equipment I had and just go for the honor stuff and get me a full set (brutal gladiator) and that it would improve all my stats by thousands.

Dunno if I am happy I learned that, I was such a carefree soul exploring the lands and now I have gear on my mind :)

In my explorings (always as the orc warrior) I stumbled upon the silverpine forest quests, they were low level of course but I had gotten in my mind the idea of getting exalted with undercity (for the horses! btw the whole “if you get exalted you get this and that” thing I only recently found out about too) and it was a great experience, even if there was no challenge, the narrative was real good.

Other fun zones: Ashazara (sp?) with the goblin stuff, Burning Steppes with the “cudgel accident” quests, made me laugh out loud. Mostly been a solitary affair though, leveling.

And (hoping you guys don’t mind the newbie spam) I’ve had some unintentional (on my part) hilarious moments.

I got into professions and leveled both mining and engineering quite fast. Then a quest poped up asking me if I wanted to be gobling or gnome engineer. Well, gobling no contest. “Fine” the npc happily said “then go to Gadgetzan”.

Gadgetzan. Sounds fun. So, uh, how do I get there? And there started a grueling, sad, hilarious journey with a real exploring the world feel to it.

First, no one could tell me exactly HOW to get from Orgrimmar to Gadgetzan. If I asked in general chat I got answers like “fly path noob”. Well, I do NOT have a fly path because I have NEVER FUCKING BEEN THERE and this is why I am asking in the first place right?

I finally got enough info to know that I should go to the barrens and “keep going south until thousand needles”.

Fine. I know the barrens. Well, northern barrens but how hard can the south barrens be?

2 hours later in barrens chat: Does ANYONE know how I can get around this GOD DAMN SCAR?

Finally decided to go into the ocean, swim to the other side (ahhh alliance!! way more powerful than me! run!). Get killed a lot.

Fine. Make it to the swamp looking zone. Go trough. Are those giant crocodiles? get killed a lot. Get to Southern barrens (??), head south.

Lot’s of piggy people, get killed, RUN ZACARIAS RUN, ahh, that part of the map appears to be marked “great lift” RUN man run oh shit I am falling, LOTS OF WATER.

Swim swim swim thousand needles. No way to go up anywhere. What is that in the distance, a barge? at this point I am down to my last healing potion and a freaking fish is killing me. Make it to the barge. Swim some more… Gadgetzan!!

Grueling, took me hours, was really pissed off at moments, leveled like 2 times just by discovering new areas, but at the end, I felt like I was a true explorer, daring the unknown. Great fun!

I (much) later came back and slaughtered every single one of the pig people in southern barrens.

Killing the pig people is always a good policy.

If you’re completely new to the game, a good guild is a huge help. Of course, most of the leveling guilds that accept randoms are absolute trash. Did you roll on a server where you don’t have any out-of-WoW friends? WoW is best played as multiplayer chat until you learn the ropes.

Yeah I didn’t know that :)
I did join a guild shortly after my Gadgetzan trek. Helpful folks, but the guild isn’t big enough to have a lot of people on at the same time (it’s VERY rare when we can go on a raid together for example) let alone people of the same lvl to play with.

The RL friend who gave me the game as a gift is lvl85 and when he logs in spends most of his time with high end raiding it seems, and really after some days I felt bad bugging him every couple hours for help.

I’ll tell you though, I spend a lot of my time in wow just admiring the beauty of it and some of the areas can be breathtaking. Plus I got an achievement for pushing goats off a cliff in under 1 minute :).

Oh and the big bad dragon flew by where I was killing pig people and fried me, earning me another achievement, that was fun.

Anaxagoras, I have made a policy out of returning to where some bastard killed me in my early days and say “Remember me? Loktar’ogar MOTHERFUCKER!” before I bladestorm their ass. It’s deeply satisfying.

Yeah, it’s sort of a rite of passage to go back and solo (for example) those Fel Reavers that stepped on you throughout Hellfire Peninsula :p No one really does old school raids anymore except with max level people to see them and/or for achievements, so if you guys are actually doing TBC raids at 70, that’s pretty cool, although the class tuning has changed to make it a bit easier since then.

If you want to know something and you don’t want to bother people, wowhead.com is probably your best bet. It’s a huge, well-kept database of WoW information. Trade chat will occasionally be helpful but is usually populated by people who, mystifyingly, have somehow made it all these years without ever accidentally drinking something from a bottle with a skull on it.

If you are looking for information on how to play your class better (including advice on talent specs, enchants, gems [don’t worry too much about gems and enchants until the level cap]), elitistjerks.com is probably the best publicly accessible resource. I strongly recommend reading only, not posting, for now. EJ is also raiding-focused, so talents that they rightly describe as useless for raiding may well be helpful for PvP or leveling. This stuff isn’t a huge deal for now but by the time you reach Cataclysm or even Wrath content, people will more or less expect you to know the basics of your class and spec. I personally generally talent at least my primary spec to raid specification unless I have a very good reason not to, since I want to hit raiding with a good working knowledge of how my spec works. For now, your rotation will probably have abilities in it that you don’t have yet; just leave them out for now.

“Tonight, you’re getting Romulo and Julianne for the sixth week in a row!”

Not kidding. But then, this was the same guild that back in BWL got Hunter gloves (or something like that) EVERY TIME for five weeks in a row before they finally contacted a GM, who “investigated their raid seed,” which sounded kinda dirty, but the problem went away, mysteriously enough.

It was a great guild though. Exactly the right kind of people for me at that point in my life. Some of us are still good friends and play other games together.

Juan it’s been refreshing reading your posts because, like you said, it is so rare these days to encounter someone who is truly new to WoW. Are you still playing Eve at all these days?

And you are absolutely right that the leveling experience is fun (sounds like you are having fun at least!) but doesn’t teach you much about the nuances of a class/spec. Basically none of that knowledge is required at all to reach the level cap. It is a bit odd that someone new to the game that wants to experience endgame content needs to consult a 3rd party source to figure out what to do. But that also means there is some depth there.