World of Warcraft: Dragonflight

I will admit to being tempted to pay for a boost to TBC, and then using the upcoming leveling boost to get to LK

Right, you can also buy instant levels, but that’s more of a convenience/time-saving purchase than buying even indirect power so I didn’t bother to mention it.

I guess, but there aren’t really “whales” in terms of f2p games. There is a limit of gear you can spend, where most f2p games are endless treadmills of numbers going up.

Also, paying guilds gold to run through for gear is rare. The payments are much more for the cosmetic “ahead of the curve” mounts as well as clearing heroic/mythic for achievements and mounts. Loot is so random, the real moneymaker is AotC. There are certainly people paying for boosts, but it isn’t crazy.

The same can be said for any MMO really, as long as people can pay real game money for boosts, they will, doesn’t matter the game. Classic doesn’t have the wow token and it is lousy with gold selling and people paying for runs through “GDKP” bidding. Honestly, it feels worse in classic than in retail. In retail, Blizz is just getting a cut of it, and gold is less important for retail than in classic for consumables and obtaining bis gear.

I don’t pay much attention to this sort of thing, but I’m sure you’re right about the rarity. Still though if you’ve got millions of gold and want your character equipped in mythic raiding gear, you can pay for it.

That was Blizzard’s justification for adding the token in the first place, to cut down on illicit goldsellers and fraud. I basically accept that, and I don’t have a better idea, but that doesn’t mean I like it.

It is so bad in classic (which doesn’t have legal gold selling) too. It is really more an issue with human nature and the genre of game. As long as you have the ability for players to trade gear for in game currency, someone will pay real money for it.

At least WoW uses soulbound items for most gear, giving it an end point. I couldn’t imagine how much worse it would be if you could trade gear directly.

Prices would come way down if all gear was tradeable, but antisocial behavior would spike way up with a direct monetary incentive to grief.

I know a guy who bought 10M+ in WoW gold using WoW tokens. Probably an outlier.

But yeah, I agree about “lifers.” For example, almost everyone currently playing the game have most of the rare mounts.

Wait, huh? Are you saying almost everyone currently playing the game has most of the game’s rare mounts? Because that’s not even remotely true.

Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. Also - almost everyone has a 3K M+ rating. Everyone currently playing.

As someone who’s played the game since beta it sort of makes me feel like shit.

But…that’s not at all true. You are way overestimating the percentage of current players who have played for a very long time and their activity. There’s constant churn of even long-time players.

I’m OG WoW and been playing since it was released. Of the many early guilds I’ve been in, I don’t think anybody still plays. There are still folks around from WoLK days, maybe from the one before that, but not a lot earlier than that (as far as my guild buddies goes). I’ve kinda been in the same guild for six years now (we merged with another a while back) and we were discussing yesterday if the guild was going to spring back to life for the next expansion. We all pretty much quit playing WoW after clearing the first Shadowlands raid on heroic.

I have a lot invested in my toons and if I can figure out a way to play the new expac I will, but other games are becoming more interesting to me and don’t require a guild to be fun and exciting. We rush to get to the next highest level, start raiding, and then everyone gets burned out. Then I level an alt to see what is actually going on in the game, hehe.

I am actually kinda interested in what is happening in FFXIV and ESO. No idea what the end game is like for these two, but I am enjoying the ride so far.

The end game air FFXIV is pretty much farming glam and tokens. There isn’t really a progression scene like there is in WoW. Some people work through the Savages or whatever the hardest raids are, but it’s not common at all.

There’s also us drifters. I pop in once the expansion gets cheaper, play for a few months, then drop off again when things get too boring (or I starting getting tempted to go back into regular raiding). Unless you call us lifers too.

Yesterday in Oribos “everyone” was running around with their new Tangled Dreamweaver mount. These are the lifers. They’ve always played WoW and they know they always will so it’s nbd for them to drop $70-90 on a sight-unseen expansion that won’t come out for six months.

These are also the same people who have nearly every 1% drop mount and nearly 3K M+ rating.

These are the only people left right now.

Except for you, I guess? You are the last non-lifer playing WoW, I take it?

That’s me also, though I don’t always wait for a price drop for an expansion. I didn’t even run 5-mans in Shadowlands.

I planned to run them all, but I think when the time came to run the third one in the leveling sequence I stopped because everyone in LFG was used to speed running them at that point. After that I stuck to solo Torghast (I didn’t even realize you could group through it until I was almost ready to quit again) and LFR.

No, I’m pretty much a lifer I’m just inferior to all the other ones for some reason.

That’s what I did. I enjoyed it. I just wish it had better rewards. I would have played longer if it had.

I’m pretty sure there are a ton of people buying M+ dungeon carries for gear. It’s one of the fastest ways to get good gear, since you can get upgradeable drops and also a guaranteed high level item from the weekly vault.

My guild has a resident whale that spends a lot of money on carries to kickstart his new toons. He will buy a lot of M+ runs for gear drops + vault, and also a full Heroic clear for the boss kill history and AOTC achievement, since people will check for those when you try to join a PUG.

He’s one of our most skilled players, but just doesn’t want to spend the time doing the initial grinds. We’re always afraid to ask him how much he’s spent.

As for the talk about lifers, I recently joined the WoW Achievements discord and learned that there are people who have nearly every achievement in the game. That’s just insane.

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