Xbox Live! and the Miyamoto Reversal

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For one-on-one games, the ability to talk to your opponent is not necessarily a good thing. When I first went online with “Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO,” a $40 martial arts combat game, I began to randomly select cartoon characters for my team. When I tried to establish contact with my human opponent, the first words I heard were: “You picked Kyo. He’s gay. And so are you.”

That’s exactly what fighting games are about. Pointing out how gay your opponent is, then pummelling him into the ground.

No.
It’s about having someone tell you that “you’re gay” and then pummeling them into the ground.

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Your Power Pill

That’s what I had on the front page. You are guilty of a redundant link. Ignorance is no excuse!

Seriously, that’s why I don’t want my kids playing online games. They just don’t need someone talking trash to them that way. Microsoft needs to police the service and eliminate that stuff before I would allow my kids to use a service like that.

I think somewhere in the article a Microsoft spokesperson says that Live is marketed at adults. I wonder if the kit comes with an “M” rating?

Or you could just take away the headset. It’s not required.

That’s exactly the point I brought up before the service launched if you don’t recall (and usually no one does). I asked if Microsoft would be putting an M-rating on the box because of the language other players were likely to use that you could simply not screen out beforehand. There’s no way to keep kids safe while allowing them to use voice chat.

So the only option is to not use the headset, in which case buying the Live! kit seems like paying for the service and not the headset which simply isn’t worth it if you’ve got no way to communicate with anyone.

Their adamant stance on keyboards is just plain silly if you ask me. With a keyboard, you could at least set up filters in the dashboard to filter out certain words or phrases.

–Dave

Do you care if the kid sees “shit” or “sh1t” flash across his screen?

“Porn” or “Pr0n”

“Fuck” or “Fock”

“Bitch” or “B1tch”

“Cocksucker” or “c0cksucker”

“Pussy” or “Frenchman”

Am I, as a parent, going to have to keep imagining clever l33t5p34k words to block out and keep up with ever-changing schoolyard slang?

Keyboards are worthless to protect kids from foul speech. I’d rather just unplug the headset.

Actually, we do care about our kids seeing that kind of stuff. We control their Internet access. It’s not that we think they’re unaware of that stuff. We know better. We just prefer that the computer not become yet another conduit for them to be exposed to it.

They just don’t need someone talking trash to them that way.

Exactly; that’s what recess playgrounds are for. Any kid who needs to go online to get trash-talked hasn’t been paying attention at school…

Exactly; that’s what recess playgrounds are for.

Sure, it happens at the playground all the time, but the anonymity of the online world make that kind of verbal abuse all the more disturbing. And you sure as hell don’t know the age of these people.

Hiding behind sooper kwel l33t namez makes the taunts much more severe. You wouldn’t catch half of these assholes spewing that kind of garbage if they were staring you in the face.

I thought MS was going to police things. Now I’m hearing that people have obscene usernames? Lovely.

-g

Mark, don’t misunderstand me. It is important that you protect kids from this type of stuff. I was disagreeing with Mr. Long about the keyboard being a useful tool to filter out swear words.

With Live!, as I see it, you have a couple of options. Only allow play with their friends list, use the Gamertag Database to screen potential playmates, or splice off the headset wires to a couple of cheap speakers on the floor. That way, you always know everything being said.

If you are a parent it is YOUR responsibility to monitor what your kids play and what they do on the net. It’s not my job or anyone elses.

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BEST. JOKE. EVAR.

You so funny!

If you are a parent it is YOUR responsibility to monitor what your kids play and what they do on the net. It’s not my job or anyone elses.

I think we’ve been here before…but for the record, I take that job seriously and Microsoft does not provide the tools for me to do this outside of removing communication from the online game entirely. Therefore, one of Live’s most touted features, voice chat, is useless to me and my family. Now it’s essentially the same service Sony offers, except I’ve got to pay to use it. Which way do you think I’d go then…?

–Dave

Sure. It would be nice to think that if you sign up for a fee-based service that the provider might pitch in too, however. AOL has kid safe stuff. Our kids are locked out of a large percentage of the crap on AOL as a result of using AOL’s parental controls. It would be nice if Xbox Live had some kind of parental control feature, but with voice I guess that’s impossible.

Anyway, it’s all theoritical for me at this point. My kids have expressed zero interest in online console gaming.

Essentially the same service? I suppose you don’t value a unified buddy list, cross-game game paging, global stat tracking, secure gameplay, broadband-only competition, etc., etc.

Now, I’m not saying voice isn’t a HUGE part of Live. But saying it’s the only worthwhile feature indicates you might be suffering from a case of tunnel vision.

Amazing. The Xbox is the only console that provides in-hardware ratings-based controls, and yet you still find some reason to complain about its inadequacies.

BTW, unless you are a man of extremely tender sensitivities, I hope you can still use voice chat…

“You picked Kyo. He’s gay. And so are you.”

I still think this is funny. And that’s why I signed up for Xbox Live-- to be entertained. GOAL ACHIEVED!

It’s too bad Microsoft didn’t have the sense to include a subscription-based game for “free” in the Xbox live kit, like Sony is doing with EverQuest. That’s a freaking no-brainer right there.

On another note, have you guys checked out the wasteland that is the GameCube new release list on ebgames.com? I’d swear I saw a few virtua tumbleweeds rolling by as I browsed the next 6 months. Not an issue for Miyamoto-hugging freakazoids like Cathcart & Long, of course, but for the rest of the world… catalog depth is a big deal.

I don’t mean to single the GC out here, but I amuse myself periodically by browsing ALL platform (well, PS2, Xbox, and PC) upcoming releases at ebworld. I was just surprised how bad it’s gotten for the GC; there’s a real paucity of entries in that list relative to all the other platforms. Even the PC, which like Rodney Dangerfield gets no respect these days, is looking like a marquee dev platform in comparison.

You guys complain about the foul language that your kids are being exposed to, while at the same time not worrying that they’re playing graphic, violent games? Not insulting anyone here, but this just seems contrary?

You must be kidding? You don’t see the difference between a kid playing a game that he’s in control of and another person asking the kid if he likes to suck cock? You think those are anywhere close to being equally offensive and damaging?

You must be kidding? You don’t see the difference between a kid playing a game that he’s in control of and another person asking the kid if he likes to suck cock? You think those are anywhere close to being equally offensive and damaging?

Well, I’m not a parent so I’ll defer to your opinion here. But in close to a 100 hours on Live I have yet to come across anything so offensive as being asked to suck cock!

If your encountering that kind of stuff, I’d suggest setting up a buddy list with people you know and trust and who know you have kids.