Xbox Series X - The next Xbox that's boxy but sexy xXx

stusser · 2021-02-03T20:18:08.931Z

Yeah, that’s a huge shame too. RT is too slow to handle high resolutions and framerates without some sort of DLSS even on Nvidia GPUs, and AMD GPUs have much slower RT. Nothing to do with the XSS specifically though, XSX and PS5 share that bummer.

It truly is shocking that new consoles still can’t maintain 1080p60 in the year of our Lord 2021.

Mellified · 2021-02-03T20:22:42.217Z

stusser:

It truly is shocking that new consoles still can’t maintain 1080p60 in the year of our Lord 2021.

That’s thinking about it backwards to me. Why aren’t developers capable of tuning their game engines to run at 1080@60 locked?

stusser · 2021-02-03T20:23:53.478Z

Also completely valid, but what matters in the end is you buy a newly released console in 2021, buy a new game, and it doesn’t run at 1080p60.

Enidigm · 2021-02-03T20:26:01.798Z

Well unfortunately there’s more going on than pushing pixels.

3840 x 2160 / 1920 x 1080 = exactly 4. 12 / 4 = 3! The S has a surplus of power! Except, sadly it doesn’t work that way.

I shouldn’t say this but wth, but I ended up getting an X on a lucky roll over at Microsoft store, so I’ve got an S and X sitting side by side. To be honest there’s not that much of a difference to me, but I’ve just had it for a couple days.

Ginger_Yellow · 2021-02-03T22:34:18.184Z

stusser:

Also completely valid, but what matters in the end is you buy a newly released console in 2021, buy a new game, and it doesn’t run at 1080p60.

I’m pretty confident that will still be the case the generation after this, and maybe the one after that. For certain genres, a lot of devs don’t care about 60fps (and as far as I’m concerned they’re right not to). They’d rather use the horsepower for graphical fidelity, or are trading it off against time and effort spent optimising. If they can get there without compromising their vision for the game, great, otherwise it’s 30fps and dynamic resolution Yes, it would be shocking to play a racing game or a twitch shooter and not have it be capable of running 1080p60 on the new hardware. But a third person horror game from a small studio? Not remotely surprising.

stusser · 2021-02-03T22:38:30.126Z

On one side, sure, what matters is the gameplay. On the other hand, it’s only 1080p and this is 2020-frickin-one.

Mellified · 2021-02-04T06:03:26.913Z

stusser:

On the other hand, it’s only 1080p and this is 2020-frickin-one.

We can still do amazing things. All we need is a developer with the will.

I give you 30fps raytracing in Notepad.

http://kylehalladay.com/blog/2020/05/20/Rendering-With-Notepad.html

divedivedive · 2021-02-04T16:20:14.433Z

Whoa -

TrueAchievements

Stubbs the Zombie comes back from the dead in March, achievements revealed

We have just picked up new achievements for Stubbs the Zombie in Rebel Without a Pulse. There are 35 achievements worth a total of 1,000 Gamerscore, none of which are secret.

I’ve still got my old Xbox copy of the game, kind of hoped that they’d make it BC at some point. But this works too!

Mellified · 2021-02-04T16:27:19.518Z

Really exciting! The game had a fantastic soundtrack. All 50s music covers by mid-2000s era Alternative bands.

Here’s the soundtrack. I really hope they are able to get all these in the re-release!
Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Stubbs-Zombie-Soundtrack-Various-artists/dp/B00J58BEBC/
Apple - https://music.apple.com/us/album/stubbs-the-zombie-soundtrack-from-the-video-game/1442989629?at=1l3vwYf
Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/album/21exizdt9bNNHMvMc0XqVR

Pyperkub · 2021-02-04T16:38:59.656Z

stusser:

It is literally under 720p on XSS, and ray-tracing is turned off. At 30fps.

The Medium is a pretty uniquely poorly optimized game, though, admittedly. It runs at sub-1080p on XSX (also 30fps), and even a high-end gaming PC with a RTX3090 struggles to maintain 60fps at 1080p. Also it has severe frame pacing issues so it feels like shit to play.

The Medium may not be the best example because of those major issues, but it’s very clear that the XSS is not “An XSX, but at 1080p”. And that makes it a failure in my eyes.

Yeah, they didn’t even try for One X.

Ginger_Yellow · 2021-02-04T16:53:15.298Z

stusser:

On one side, sure, what matters is the gameplay. On the other hand, it’s only 1080p and this is 2020-frickin-one.

It’s not even that what matters is the gameplay. It’s that, for certain games and certain developers, they’re going to prioritise the shiny over the FPS, or faced with a game that can only run at 30FPS, won’t spend the budget/time to optimise it to improve that to 60, because 30 is “good enough”. There’s no particular reason to expect that to change until it’s totally trivial to get photorealistic graphics at 1080p60, such that going from 30 to 60 is effectively free.

Desslock · 2021-02-04T17:00:43.020Z

I’m getting confused on the Xbox subscription options - what is Gold compared to the Game Pass or the Game Pass Ultimate? I wanted to play the new Gears 5 single player content, after playing it on Gamepass previously, but it’s not available on Game Pass because I need Ultimate content? I guess Ultimate also gives you PC stuff (which I don’t need)?

stusser · 2021-02-04T17:01:51.187Z

Outside of the Medium, it’s pretty trivial on a RTX3080. And The Medium would get there too if it supported DLSS.

Ginger_Yellow · 2021-02-04T17:03:20.022Z

I’m not saying it’s not possible. I’m saying devs won’t do it. As they haven’t in the case of The Medium.

stusser · 2021-02-04T17:05:27.992Z

Issue is the XSX/PS5 aren’t powerful enough to hit 1080p60 with RT on. They badly need some equivalent of DLSS, and greater penetration of VRR displays.

divedivedive · 2021-02-04T17:07:27.071Z

Desslock:

I’m getting confused on the Xbox subscription options - what is Gold compared to the Game Pass or the Game Pass Ultimate?

Well Gold is multiplayer, but it also includes the Games with Gold you can get each month, one of which is Gears 5 as you noted. It’s part of the Game Pass Ultimate package along with Game Pass on PC.

Ginger_Yellow · 2021-02-04T17:08:55.529Z

stusser:

Issue is the XSX/PS5 aren’t powerful enough to hit 1080p60 with RT on.

Indeed, but there’s going to be some new shiny next gen that has the same effect of making devs, in some circumstances, sacrifice 60fps.

stusser · 2021-02-04T17:11:21.383Z

I really don’t agree. These consoles should be more than capable of 1080p60 with everything except RT turned on. They’re essentially RTX2080s with Zen2 CPUs.

But you’re right in that many devs simply don’t care about that and won’t do it.

Rock8man · 2021-02-04T17:17:10.378Z

To add to what dive said, usually Game Pass games and Games with Gold games don’t include DLC content. There’s a couple of game exceptions, and one of them is Gears 5. They include their DLC content with the Ultimate Game Pass subscription, not the base Game Pass.

Oh yes Ultimate:
contains

Gold
Game Pass for Xbox
Game Pass for PC
EA Play
xCloud streaming

Desslock · 2021-02-04T17:17:54.695Z

divedivedive:

Well Gold is multiplayer, but it also includes the Games with Gold you can get each month, one of which is Gears 5 as you noted. It’s part of the Game Pass Ultimate package along with Game Pass on PC.

I’ve played lots of Gears5 multiplayer - is that not included in Gamepass - so I guess I have both Gamepass and Gold? So I should switch to Ultimate and get them both plus more?