Funny, cause I think Paul Verhoeven should be assassinated.
“Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back is a 1980 science fantasy film developed by George Lucas, written by Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, and directed by Irvin Kershner.”
“Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi is a 1983 science fantasy film directed by Richard Marquand and written by George Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan.”
Wiki may be retarded when it comes to some things, but you can bet your last dollar it’s a good resource for geek shit like Star Wars.
krayzok, that “empire was the worst” comment was made in jest at an awards ceremony for a close friend of Lucas, it wasn’t serious.
You know what’s a more definitive source than Wikipedia? The @#%$ movie. Lucas wrote the story for Empire, as he did for all of the Star Wars films. Check the credits.
As I said, different people have screenplay credits - but the story has always been credited to just one guy: Lucas (for better or worse).
Does anybody know the history of how Irvin Kershner came to direct Empire, or, more to the point, how George Lucas came to let somebody else direct the film?
Was he too busy? Uninterested in directing at that time? Did money people force this change on him?
Oof. What an odd statement. If you don’t need character development why do you even bother watching the whole movie? Just download a bunch of clips of kewl scenes and be done with it.
I’m hard pressed to think of a single film I like, really like, that doesn’t have strong character development. If that piece is missing, forget it. You mention reading LOTR, but the LOTR films work precisely because the character development is so strong. Just about everything else is just window dressing. When I cast back over those three films, the things that stand out for me most significantly have little to do with special effects. As I write this, just thinking about Gandalf’s look when Frodo steps forward at the council and says he will go to Mordor makes me catch my breath.
Do you remember what made you first fall in love with Star Wars? I’m sure I was wowed by the “cool space battles” and I still long to own a lightsaber, but as I lay awake at night in 1977 staring at the ceiling I was imagining I was Luke Skywalker. After Empire Strikes Back ended I was thinking about how much I hated Darth Vader, even though hatred was a non-Christian value and therefore a no-no for me. Then after Jedi I was thinking about how hate works on a person and the true nature of reconciliation (even if I couldn’t have put it in those exact words). I was thinking, what is Luke gonna do now?, not, Gee, I sure hope George Lucas gets around to putting a Praxis wave into that Death Star explosion someday! More importantly I was thinking what I was going to be doing as Luke now, in my fantasy world.
Yeah, the 'splosions made me scream real loud, but no matter the volume, it was the characters, and their dilemmas, that continued to resonate with me. Why do you think so many of us clamored for the original trilogy to be released on dvd, not just the “Special Editions” with updated effects? Because HAN SHOT FIRST GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT and that makes a difference…in his character’s development.
And that’s why the prequels just felt so incredibly hollow.
"Search your feelings…you know it to be true.
-Amanpour
Episodes 1,2,3
Lucas primarily wanted to reassert control of the franchise after Empire because Empire went way over budget – he had to personally borrow a whole bunch of cash, and ended up giving the studio a larger guaranteed cut to have them guarantee the loan so he wasn’t entirely on the hook alone.
It all worked out well anyway, since the movie was as big a hit as anyone could have reasonably hoped (although the least profitable of the films), but it stressed Lucas the hell out, and he and producer Gary Kurtz had a falling out over it which led to Kurtz not being involved in the movies after Empire.
Lucas did, apparently, completely throw out all the seeds sown for Jedi by Empire (including seeds planted by Lucas himself earlier), in order to rework it significantly, so that neither Han/Lando died (as they did in earlier drafts), throwing the Death Star back in again (which it wasn’t), substituting the Ewoks in for the Wookies, and not bringing Yoda and Obi Wan into the final fight with the Emperor and Darth (and killing Yoda earlier, while Obi Wan was supposed to come back as a “live”, non-ghost character). Pretty different from what ultimately hit the screen, that’s for sure.
So, what, you’re saying he became a lackey of the studio and made any and all changes they suggested to cut down on budget? Or that he butchered his own baby?
How was that supposed to work, given that we was killed in Star Wars and appeared as a force ghost in Empire?
Um, if you do need character development why do you bother watching disposable sci-fi junk like Star Wars? That’s like reading Penthouse (and not even Playboy) for the articles…
You mention reading LOTR, but the LOTR films work precisely because the character development is so strong. Just about everything else is just window dressing. When I cast back over those three films, the things that stand out for me most significantly have little to do with special effects. As I write this, just thinking about Gandalf’s look when Frodo steps forward at the council and says he will go to Mordor makes me catch my breath.
Couldn’t disagree more. I thought that scene was appalling in its blatant fishing for audience reactions. I can’t stand Jackson’s clumsy overuse of zoomed-in faces, heavily overacting in their quest to telegraph DEEP EPIC EMOTIONS. And Han Solo shooting first… yes, nice idea that befits the character as far as it goes, but that character is still just an action movie stereotype. Good enough for special effect orgies like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings (the Peter Jackson edition), and quite enjoyable too, don’t get me wrong. Stereotypes have a long and honorable pedigree in epics and folk tales, after all. I’m just stunned that anyone could point at these animated action figures and talk about “strong character development”.
You’re joking, right? Without a nice script and character development all you can watch of a SF movie is cool special effects, which normally constitute about <30% of the movie. The remaining screentime in such films is boredom and disgust. Why do you enjoy boredom and disgust?
Did you read what Desslock wrote? He was doing everything he could to be independent from the studios. That’s why he was self-financing the movies from Empire on. When Empire went way over budget he became more beholden to the studios, not less, and wanted to avoid that ever happening again.
Didn’t Lucas resign from the director’s guild over the problems he had during Empire?
Sounds like Jedi would have been a better flick had he stuck to his original plans, or at least more closely than he did. There were some nice moments in Jedi, but overall a step back from Empire.
IIRC, he resigned from the guild because they fined him a large sum for not including opening credits in Star Wars.
why? I’d rather have a new scifi franchise with no baggage and the same huge budget and high quality fx.
That could be cool. But let him start out as a bounty hunter and show a progression towards Jedi.
Still, I don’t think I’d trust it, because we have yet to see a really good movie based on a game, Star Wars or no.
But would it be the first movie based on a game, which was based on a movie?
No, he made zero changes at the studio’s request - the changes were his own, based upon what he didn’t like of what others had done with Empire (Kurtz, Irwin K) and his own changing view of what worked based upon the success of Raiders.
They obviously had never explained (and didn’t, until Episode 3) how Obi Wan disappeared when Darth struck him down in the original movie. The original premise was that he wasn’t dead at all (he wasn’t even hit, after all), and had just voluntarily “merged” with the Force. So he just would have “reformed” himself.