CraigM
3364
That’s the problem, you’re thinking logically. Not with your spleen like a true Brit.
kedaha
3366
Great Britain still gets to leave! :p
It’s one way to Make Britain Great Again.
I would have thought that any nationalist would declare Northern Ireland to be part of the country.
Throwing them out like this opens the door to letting everything else go, including the Falklands and Gibraltar.
So how on earth these so called make Britain great againists are for this…mind boggling.
kedaha
3368
NI Is part of the UK but not GB, Falklands/Gibraltar are both parts of GB & UK.
It was just a play on words.
It’s not like I’m an expert, but isn’t NI already a special case? Something about abortion rules for instance? It’s not like the backstop is declaring that NI leaves the UK…
Still, the DUP is against it, and that’s why HMG convinced the EU to include the entire UK on the backstop. Which of course, Parliament also doesn’t like, so…
kedaha
3370
Scotland is more devolved than NI, but NI is a special case in very many ways.
This gives a general overview:
This really is something:
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/spring-statement-philip-hammond-austerity-brexit-deal/
Why beat around the bush? Why not vote for the government’s plan or we’ll starve you fuckers?
jpinard
3372
None of it goes to food, housing, nor healthcare. Just police (which they don’t really need) and schools. They intentionally neglect the areas that needs help the most.
This is making the rounds:
They aren’t. It’s an offer from Barnier. The ERG/DUP types hate it, which is why when it was originally offered May came up with the whole UK backstop instead.
This seems like a useful exercise:
One possibility would be to give MPs a “conditional vote”, asking them to approve the deal that Mr Cox has been seeking, rather than the one actually on the table.
https://amp.ft.com/content/dceee028-43ca-11e9-a965-23d669740bfb?__twitter_impression=true
EU: You can’t have that deal you want.
UK: Oh, yeah? Well, we will vote on it anyway.
Might have been useful, ooh, two years ago.
Sharpe
3377
In theory, getting buy in by the principals to a negotiation, to a position the other side has rejected, can sometimes break an impasse.
I’ll give an example using numbers. I’m negotiating, pending authority from my client the insurance company (which makes my position a bit like May’s - I can negotiate but I need a vote of approval from the principal power holder). I say “I’m willing to recommend a max of $45,000 to my client”, and the other attorneys says “We won’t take a penny less than $50,000. Don’t even bother.” I go to the insurance company and they won’t give me $50K but they do give me $45K. I go back to the other attorney with $45K in a “hard offer” (already authorized by the approving entity) and all of a sudden a lot of the time, the “don’t even bother” goes away. This is b/c money talks and “hard offers” have a lot more weight than “This is my position pending approval by Parliament.”
So, in theory, that sort of thing can un-jam negotiations. I have no idea if that will be at all effective in this scenario but the concept of voting on a proposal already rejected by the other side is not necessarily idiotic, because there’s a difference between negotiating “Here is what I will recommend to Parliament” versus “Here is the offer authorized by Parliament”.
Brexiters: Fuck the Irish and their borders and the GFA, they can all fucking starve again (to paraphrase several Brexit ministers/MPs
What could go wrong?
Cox says no change to the legal position. Hard to see how the ERG/DUP types vote for it now.
It’s kinda shocking that we’re just over two weeks from hard Brexit and we’re in this situation.
I remember when Europe transitioned to the Euro; there were years worth of transitions and milestones that were hit.
This, on the other hand, reminds me of when I blew off all my homework and assignments for a class project and had to half-ass something at the figurative last minute.
