Brexit, aka, the UK Becomes a Clown Car of the Highest Order

[BloodyBattleBrain]

The basic concept to me that is that the entire EU and all of its subsidiary benefits/agreements/what-have-you are reciprocal in nature and that means inherently for every single benefit the UK negotiates for, they give up that corresponding amount of control

No No NO!

Boris and Farage told us it’d be easy, we’d get £350,000,000 back every week and we would use it for our hospitals.

Fox told us everyone would be beating a path to our door.

Impossible that they were wrong and that you are right!

[BloodyBattleBrain]

May 'did not understand EU when she triggered Brexit'

He said: “These fantasies of release and liberation – they are fantasies. We are going to be negotiating on everything from aviation to farming for evermore with our biggest neighbour. We cannot live in glorious isolation. Talk to the Swiss and to the Norwegians – they live in a permanent state of negotiation with the EU.”

[Ginger_Yellow]

To be clear, there’s no agreement as such on visas (distinct from the WA). The UK government has indicated, but not so far as I’m aware legislated, that it will not require tourist visas for EU citizens. Conversely the EU has proposed (but not passed) legislation to similar effect, expressly conditional on the UK not imposing a visa requirement on any member state.

[kedaha]

Exactly! So like everything else, there are proposals that haven’t been fully agreed upon or enacted :p

[Ginger_Yellow]

Well, some things have actually been agreed or unilaterally adopted. This just isn’t one of them, formally.

Meanwhile, Cox returns empty handed, to nobody’s surprise.

[rho21]

Here’s a version of that not behind a paywall: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47470382

“Both sides have exchanged robust, strong views.”

[Fifth_Fret]

So the vote on the 12th. Does she lose this again? It feels like none of the ‘threats’ have really struck home.

[Destarius]

No deal Brexit by default it is, then.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

Figured this was the best thread for this… I’ve no idea who these two personalities are (Will Self and Mark Francois) but I tend to think the author guy is correct in his assessment.

Edit: the link wasn’t working inline so adding it: HERE

[scottagibson]

This is a helpful chart from The Guardian.

[DarthMasta]

Apparently the EU has given May an out on the backstop, but NI stays in, AKA the previous EU proposal…

We might be getting into the trolling phase of the negotiation.

[Lynch]

This is not about trolling. This is about conquest.

[BennyProfane]

A if by conquest you mean UK scoring an own-goal.

[jpinard]

A if by conquest you mean UK scoring an own-goal.

LOLOL

[BloodyBattleBrain]

Eh?

I’m confused - how would having Northern Ireland be, effectively, in the EU and the rest out be a good thing?

[DarthMasta]

It would solve the NI border issue, and allow for the UK to make it’s own regulations and trade deals.
If that’s a good thing or not, guess it depends on the alternatives, my view is that the alternative that’s most likely is hard Brexit and a proper border in NI, hopefully not followed by what everyone fears…

[scottagibson]

That, plus it’s a deal the EU would actually agree to.

[Ginger_Yellow]

Bear in mind, this is the backstop to the backstop. It’s an alternative arrangement that would allow the mainland UK to leave the customs union if it wanted to and no FTA or other arrangement had been found.

[BloodyBattleBrain]

But part of the UK would stay within the EU?

If so, then what is the point of leaving the EU?

[KevinC]

£350 million a week for the NHS!