We all must put “anti-nazi, anti-pedophile, anti-altright” into our social media bios lest we get mistaken for the enemy
Didn’t seem very complicated to me. @rhamorim felt uncomfortable with the trend of setting out the acceptable views of an audience for a game by its creators, @Nesrie and @legowarrior felt some groups go simply beyond a difference of opinion and should be excluded. I agree with the latter but @rhamorim is making a perfectly reasonable argument .
This argument got really tired the second actual fucking Nazis started walking around.
Now, because of them, yes, we need to constantly and clearly identify with the group that stands against them, lest more kids on 4 chan and Reddit are never exposed to the alternate side and/or don’t understand that Nazis aren’t welcome.
Basically, we can’t just assume everyone knows this shit anymore, when there are walking, talking examples of people who don’t know this shit.
And in good news / bad news , I swear I am not trying to cause trouble today! Just all this stuff is happening at the same time and I think this all belongs here. Please mods ping me if it doesnt I will happily edit.
I learned an instructive German saying recently: “If a Nazi is sitting at a table with ten other people, there are 11 Nazis at the table.”
That sums up the alt right and gamer gate very succinctly. I like it.
Reason is only part of the human experience, and especially in times like these, emotions run wild. For good reason, too. Reason only goes so far, and it can easily be blind to certain things; I often fail to see that.
I’ll still try to provide that kind of point of view because, well, I can’t deny who I am. I’m the kind of person who believes civility is the best thing we have and I’ll fight for it even when I shouldn’t. Sometimes, that’s a flaw. Sometimes that’s taken advantage of by unsavory people. I have in fact many scars of that kind in my heart. But I like to think that, sometimes, it’s a good thing.
I guess I’ll just step aside. Thanks for the kind comment, I appreciate it.
I really don’t like that saying, and I don’t think it’s remotely true. But I’ll admit that it is often accurate.
I mean, I guess the ten other people might be deciding which jail to put the nazi in.
No worries at all. I hope I didnt shout you down. You are adding to the discussion!
No, quite the contrary, in fact. But I don’t think I have much to add at this point.
Please don’t forget that the “acceptable views” we are talking of is Fuck off Nazis, I don’t care about whatever devil’s advocate game you are playing, but if you don’t think someone can say “Nazi’s can fuck off” as a private company, you got some interesting views, to say the least.
This is not directed at Rod, but at anyone defending or not actively denouncing Nazis
Also, I love that 10 people at the table thing, so perfect.
Me, I just sad the society has come to the point that people have to say “sorry, we don’t like Nazis” because that means that a some small part of that group is okay with Nazis.
Step 1 is making sure we all display sufficient hate toward the alt-right.
Step 2 is labeling normal conservative values as alt-right.
(I don’t say this to complain about being marginalized, but rather to explain why hate fails. Good luck.)
Step 2 hasn’t and doesn’t happened, except in minds of GOP members.
What has happened is an acknowledgement of by left that the GOP nominated and voted for a Racist who has strong ties to both Russia and the Alt Right.
Also, we should acknowledge that one party has nominated zero Nazis for national office, while the other… Has.
Watch out for denouncing Nazis guys, don’t want to get caught up on that slippery slope.
Bullshit. We can denounce Nazis all fucking day and still be rational people.
In fact, every conservative I’ve ever known until very recently would be at the very front of that Nazis-fuck-off parade.
For the record, I have no problem with them saying “we don’t support alt-right political views and we want to make that clear; we don’t ascribe to those values, and don’t come looking for them here; some of the things you identify with are things we identify with monsters, and I hope you’re well aware of that; also, don’t use our products to endorse views that differ from our own because that’s a bad thing to do”. That’s perfectly fine.
What I’m not fine with is “if you have beliefs different from our own, you are forbidden to buy or enjoy our products on their own terms; actually, you’re monsters beyond redemption and we wish you were dead - not vampires-like dead; really dead, because even a world of vampires is better without you”.
And I’m not fine with that because I’ve seen people change for the better. But they never did so by being rebuked and “hated”. While most will not change and, yes, keeping them away will often be the best idea, assuming such a posture with the people that are not beyond redemption will only succeed in radicalizing them and robbing them of the possibility of change. I think that’s the “last straw” that got Trump in power: the “deplorables” part of the equation, not the “nazi” part.
“Normal conservatives” have lain down with these dogs. Now they have fleas. That was their choice.
Eurogamer is now disgusting, makes sense that a sister site would follow suit.
