How much Activision does it take to change a Blizzard?

The latter, I’d say.

What adult people do consensually, should be no one’s business but their own. But there’s a difference between a rock star who represents himself, and someone who is representing a company. If the rock star does something he shouldn’t be doing, he’s only hurting himself. The guy representing a company, on the other hand… well, most normal corporations are none too eager to have their names dragged into that kind of mess. Thus why most companies are pretty proactive about avoiding that kind of situation.

Activision/Blizzard apparently did not get that memo.

One of the companies I worked for did that, though they made an exception for business-related meals with clients/press/etc.

Another company gave everyone a flat amount per diem for travel, which led to some really weird behaviors, like more junior staff skipping meals all together so they could pocket some extra cash.

Also, given the number of stories that have come out throughout and beyond the large thrust of the #MeToo movement about a number of rock stars/bands in the pop-punk/emo scene centered around events like Warped Tour that specifically targeted, say, underage fans (I mean obviously you’ve got shit like Lori Mattox as a 14-year-old with Bowie and Jimmy Paige back in the 70s too). Bright Eyes, Brand New, Lostprophets (jesus Ian Watkins was a fucking monster) maybe even Fall Out Boy.

Pop culture rockstars have always been an object of devotion for young fans, and more than a few have specifically used that to their predatory advantage.

AKA, maybe it might be time to reassess the level of okay we are as a society with rockstars wearing down groupie inhibitions with booze and drugs backstage. . .

I’ve been wondering when or if this kind of reckoning was going to happen with touring musicians in the #metoo era, but it seems a lot harder to address because:

  • Generally musicians don’t work for large companies with HR teams. They are either individuals or a band that is probably a corporate in and of itself, and they don’t give a shit about HR.
  • It’s not currently illegal to have consensual sex with a fan who is of age. And unfortunately it seems pretty rare or nonexistant that underage fans sue.
  • The music labels, which do have HR teams, generally don’t care what their artists do until they get into trouble. As long as the money’s flowing, they are unlikely to mandate rules about this sort of thing, above and beyond a very generic morality clause that I assume most labels include in their contracts.

Maybe things will change as time goes on though.

I kinda don’t think your Mick Jaggers of the world needed to wear down groupies with booze, but it’s not something I have personal experience of. It goes without saying that targeting the underage (which I’m sure has happened plenty, beyond cited examples) is beyond the pale.

Well fuck. Didn’t know about that. Deja Entendu is was one of my favorite albums of all time. What a fucking creep. Gah

Frankly the number of whiny boi 00s emo icons who don’t have credible sexual assault allegations against them might be smaller than the number who do :(

I had a coworker at a big biotech here in CA who had worked for bigger pharma in New Jersey. He told me about guys taking their rivals or bosses to lunch, having a drink or two with them, then calling in that they were drunk at work so they were fired that day.

Multiple coworkers who had worked at our company’s former NJ site attested that the (unbelievably obnoxious) woman who’d been department head there for years would routinely disappear with her second-in-command for a 3-hour lunch, come back to the office, and run a meeting while sloshed.

Davey Havok? Gerard Way? Geoff Rickly? Are they still OK?

Brand New though… it should have been obvious:

Barely conscious in the door where you stand
Your eyes are fighting sleep while your mouth makes your demands
You laugh at every word, trying hard to be cute
I almost feel sorry for what I’m gonna do

This vile piece of shit is cousins with Joe Rogan

(But they’ve never actually met, hah)

Im with @stusser on the room. Yes, innocent until proven guilty is a hill worth defending, even if you have to acknowledge some shitty things have happened on its slopes.

Wasn’t Activision the original 2600 game publisher/developer that allowed for distinct authors/creators of their respective games instead of anonymous teams leading to EA’s vision for artists?

When I worked at Sony they had no real rules against drinking, and there was a Brewery right next door that was the drinking party spot during and after work. Open bar at all parties was standard and after conventions “everyone” got drunk. Sometimes even during. Sony had a small cocktail bar in their E3 booth upstairs. So as you can predict, incidents did happen from time to time but it was stuff like someone not showing up to work or passing out on the hotel stairs. Stuff like that. I of course never had a problem but being drunk at work did happen, and the company paid for it.

So he’s noooooooooooooooooooooot oooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaay?

Goddammit now I’m gonna be listening to Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge all day.

I also believe you can drink, with co-workers, and not be a piece of shit. Alcohol is a truth serum in my experience. It makes you more you. Assholes who suppress it let it all out when they’re drunk. Ever been drinking with nice people? They become more nice, and it’s a joyful activity.

If y’alls experience with drinking is everyone turns into a demon, you need better friends.

That’s one way to look at it, but another would be “Good people who struggle with inner demons but through discipline and effort, have tamed them and function as good members of society”? Of course, such people should probably have the wisdom to steer clear of alcohol. :)

In court, yes. In conversation, no.