I think the coming, winning take will be these camps were perfectly sanitary until those dirty kids shows up.
It sounds like you haven’t been to Disneyland in a while! Not including tax, chaperone tickets, housing, costs, etc:
$586 One night - Grand Californian (“starting from” price)
$190 Park hopper on a peak day
$50 Rations for the day (on the cheap side)
Note that the children can’t be housed together or they’ll conspire against Freedom. Also, need park hoppers in case the children need to be quickly relocated to the other park if wealthy white patrons complain.
Now in reality they wouldn’t be staying near the parks anyways. They’d be housed down at the Trump golf course in Palos Verdes and ferried to the parks daily by Trump-owned shuttle buses.
not too far off
That’s kind of amazing. I just did a thumbnail calculation and figured that it costs me about $136/day to stay in a nice 2 bedroom apartment in Los Angeles, with high speed internet, basic cable TV, a cell phone plan, Spotify, Netflix, and health/dental insurance, plus a respectable amount of groceries/sundries…
You’re not adding in the costs of chain-link fencing, barbed wire, and sociopathic guards. The cruelty costs extra.
Fair point.
I don’t want this to get in the way of my hating the other. The poll questions are clearly deficient in not showing them to be monsters.
About 10%, but I get your point, lol.
l think the point being made is that the poll questions don’t show…anything. They are simply poorly designed questions, which return data of limited to no statistical value. One doesn’t have to even be ideologically partisan about the issues the poll covers to view those questions as faulty. Anyone who has ever designed survey questions or tried to get that sort of data knows how damned hard it is to do it right. From a layman’s perspective, certainly, those questions are extremely problematic.
One does not have to be, but the only issues that have been raised here involve any attempt to humanize conservatives. While the poll questions humanizing liberals go completely unchallenged. That in itself explains the issue the poll is addressing - we go out of our way to think poorly of the other. When the other does it to us, it’s wrong. When we do it to them, it’s justified.
Believe in it? They vocally support it.
“Does racism still exist?”
“Does racism still negatively impact minorities’ success and result in decades worth of systematic disadvantages?”
These are two different questions.
I’m confused. Do you agree that the poll questions are so vague as to invalidate the conclusions of the study? Or do you dispute that?
There is a greater degree of specificity to the Democrat questions.
Do you want to abolish ICE is a legitimate specific policy proposal. Should the US be a socialist county, while vague, is measuring a specific sentiment aiming at some specific policies.
Open Borders is specific policy
Are Democrats proud of their country is not policy related, nor particularly specific. Are police bad is also a bad question, neither specific or policy related.
Is racism still a thing has nothing to do with policy. It’s literally measuring ‘how ignorant are they’
Ditto sexism.
A better question that has any bearing on policy would be ‘should the federal government have policies to address racial inequalities’, at least point it towards a policy:
True, if the questions are bad they are bad no matter how you spin them, I’ll grant you that.
This is only true if in fact both sides are equally deserving of consideration or of “humanization,” or if one side is in fact not deserving of dehumanization due to inhumane actions. Of course, this doesn’t get us any closer to a solution, either.
Disney World is cheaper, the longer you stay, the cheaper the nights and tickets get. You can also get meal plans.
A lot of white Republicans believe they are the target of racism. It’s not dissimilar to how so many Christians have convinced themselves they are the most persecuted religion ever in the US and no other religions have been more attacked than they are right now. We’re only 6 months away from the Christmas tree wars!
I’ll grant that social media tends to amplify negative voices and make everyone seem worse than they are. That applies across the political spectrum. BUT, I don’t really care all that much how Republicans in general think. I care how they vote. That’s how their thoughts actualize in the public sphere. And they vote for pedophiles. They vote for politicians who advocate specific policies: to close the border, to get rid of equal pay protections and chip away at reproductive choice, for racial profiling and less oversight of police, against doing anything about climate change, etc.
Democrats, on the other hand, do in fact vote for politicians who also advocate policies: greater gun regulation, more humane border control, protection for sexual assault victims, a bigger safety net, more oversight of policing, a more candid self-evaluation when it comes to international affairs, and more focus on climate change mitigation.
Policywise, our perceptions of the policy goals of the other party are relatively accurate. The “perception gap” is mostly a matter of degree and not kind. And, I think that without question Democrats’ policy goals are aimed at making the country better while Republicans are about turning inwards and giving everyone the finger. So while most of them are perfectly nice, respectable people, they’re trying to torch the world my kids have to live in and cause misery for people they never even met for no reason other than ignorance and cowardice about pluralism. It’s how they vote that matters. When they stop voting for Armageddon, for pettiness and spite, for sexual predators and grifters, I’ll be happy to give them the time of day.
This is true but we don’t really know how long each child will remain alive in US custody. Maybe the US could get a refund if a particular child expires though, while still getting a long-term discount overall.
I’m half surprised they haven’t come up with something snappier like the “Happy Holidays Holocaust.” ;)
This is key. Actions, not beliefs. I really don’t give a rat’s ass what someone believes in their heart of hearts; I’m not a member of the clergy looking out for their putative souls. I care about what they do. And empirically, manifestly, Republicans with power to do things do, demonstrably, use that power to do things I find reprehensible. And as you note, people who call themselves Republicans continue to vote these people into power.
In this situation, no, there is no “both sides.” On the whole, the actions of Democrats move the country in a direction I want it to go, while the actions of Republicans move it the opposite way.
People in general never see themselves as doing evil. That’s why that poll discussed here is so useless. Everyone thinks their policies are reasonable, measured, justified, etc. No one thinks their own policies are extreme, unjustified, oppressive, etc. So when you ask questions that allow or even require people to pigeonhole the policy they are being asked about into categories, they will always, always believe that those policies are on the side of the angels. So you really can’t make many decisions based on opinions like these.
You can though look at what people do. And in that case, the fear mongering by the GOP has been very effective in scaring their base into voting for them based on what the base has been told Democrats will do if they are put in power–allegations that have zero basis in fact most of the time. Democrats, OTOH, generally only have to point to what their opponents have already done and continue to do. Big difference there.