Israel bans Arab political parties

#149

Your words, not mine.

#150

You left out “These parties and their likes are the main reason …”

As I said, the islamistic part of the Arab communities are the main reason for a lot of the problems with Arab cities in Israel.
For example, the muslim movement in Rahat, which candidate became mayor promised their voters that by voting out the Kadima candidate they will be able to resume illegal building and land-takeover which was popular their a decade ago.
Also a lot of the Arab villages are bankrupt due to not-collecting taxes, and due to a problematic family-centered society. There’s a problematic situation in which the mayor of a local authority is effectively forced to hire people from his family and get rid from the last workers. This is a problem of mostly the smaller villages as a larger city can evade this problem obviously.

I put a lot of blame for these problems not only on the Israeli government which should have handled them more seriously but on the rhetoric of people such as Azmi Bishara, Ahmed Tibi and the rest who push toward closed communities, support “tricking” the government, force religious schools and during all this time not once have actually tried to gain something for their people.
These parties have simply gained so little in the time they existed which I think should have blocked them from getting voted, but its their public’s problem to solve.

#151

There was still the assumption that Arabs lagged behind Jews because of the issues you have mentioned. (Although your explanation has helped me understand wshere you are coming from and I apologise for calling you a racist…)

In my experience nepotism and corruption isn’t an Islamic trait, and the sterotypes you are using are distasteful. Laziness isn’t ingrained in Islamic culture, just the way greed isn’t ingrained in Jewish culture. If I suggested that Jews were all greedy and corrupt and cited all the senior Jewish politicians who have been involved in corruption scandals I would expect to be labeled an anti-semitic racist. What you are doing is no different.

#152

I agree with you. you will note I tend to use the word Islamistic and not Muslim in most cases. Which is a nickname for people not only being Muslim, but also eager to use any means possible to force Islam on others.
I don’t see Islam as a problem at all, I do see the wave of radical-Islam represented by these people as dangerous problem.
Those thoughts will be based on the same ideas for any religion what-so-ever. God knows we have enough crazy Jews and Christians as well… (Don’t know about the rest…)

#153

Ok, now let’s go back full circle.

I fully agree with you - religious extremism is the root of a lot of issues.

Unfortunately Israels current actions in Gaza (And their historic treatment of Palestinians.) means that the area is going to become more and more of a breeding ground for extremism. You don’t combat extremism by going into an area and killing thousands of civilians. This is why a lot of people (Myself included) are saying that this action will not aid in the long term defence of Israel.

#154

Yes, but we have a separate thread for that. :)

#155

In a unanimous decision, the ban is … overturned.

Just shows Democracy alive and well and living in Israel.

#156

Actually, not banning them in the first place would show that. What this shows is that democracy is at threat in Israel, but thankfully there are enough sane people to prevent that slide at the moment.

#157

Coming from a country that has had its officials do much worse and still proud and confident in its democracy, I don’t see it at threat, but being tested and passing.

#158

Such as?

#159

Kalle, do not feed the troll. While the fact that an unelected judiciary had to unfuck the actions of elected officials is no sane person’s idea of a triumph of democracy, your question is still stupid.

#160

There’s currently a proposition in the pipeline that will limit the option to disqualify a party to the chairman of the elections committee instead of the entire committee. (The chairman is a supreme court judge, while the rest of the members are members of the Knesset parliament)

#161

It at least shows a healthy separation of powers which is key in a democracy.

#162

Yes, because that’s never happened in the United States. Go read a history book or even a current newspaper.

#163

And what exactly are these triumphs of democracy I shall learn about as I affix my monocle and peruse my local broadsheet, my good sir?

#164

Tim isn’t from the United States, so your attacks on him are missing the mark.

Anyway, my first thought was that you are right, we do have extremist groups such as the KKK here in the US. My second thought was that although they once had a fair amount of power, I think particularly at the state-level they do not anymore. There is no chance that the KKK would have control over a congressional committee. It seems clear that in Israel however, extremist groups are much more mainstream.

#165

All it shows that is that Israel’s democracy is more representative than the US’s. In the US, if 3% of the populace are members of the KKK, the winner-take-all system means that they don’t get a seat in Congress. Israel has a system based on vote percentages, so 3% of the vote would get you a couple of seats in the Knesset.

This system allows all sorts of fringe groups to get seats that in other countries would never make it.

#166

So 3% of the vote gives you enough seats to control a committee which determines who gets to vote? I’m not a huge fan of the two-party system, but that seems a bit whacky.

#167

A neo-nazi skinhead in Congress? That would be interesting. I’m sure the Jewish Americans would love that.

#168

There’s no need to convince me that Israel has a strong democracy. I already know that. But trying to spin the fact that Arab parties were banned as evidence of this, just because the ban was overturned, is more than a little odd.

America is a strong democracy in spite of its past record with minorities, not because of it.