Mmm. So, what you’re saying is that ritual mutilation of someone without their permission is ok if it’s within some arbitrary boundary you define and/or it’s a long-held tradition or because God says so? You do realize you’re rationalizing this based on something a ludicrous as the percentage of stimulation loss, don’t you? What’s too much then, where do you draw the line? 10%? 15%? At what point does it become acceptable to lop bits of people off without asking them?
Well, clitorectomies are designed to prevent a women from ever having orgasms. They’re pretty effective at that. Loosing some foreskin has no such effect.
I think Bill answered this when he mentioned the risk of having a hotty (who is presumably now only a twinkle in someone’s eye) tell his wee lad no sugar for him tonight. It’s a compelling argument, you have to admit.
There would be no limits to my outrage if someone had decided to remove my labia at birth to make my genitals prettier. They are MY fucking genitals, I was born with them, and I’d thank any doctor or religion to stay away.
So yeah, I can understand why some guys who were circumcised at birth are outraged.
I think Bill answered this when he mentioned the risk of having a hotty (who is presumably now only a twinkle in someone’s eye) tell his wee lad no sugar for him tonight. It’s a compelling argument, you have to admit.
This is of course self-deluding nonsense. The ladies love the foreskin (as long as you wash it every day). It makes it easier to pleasure a man for a start.
If you haven’t had a foreskin orgasm you haven’t lived*
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Well, junior can always opt for the procedure later on in life. Going backward isn’t nearly as clear cut (pun intended).
Yeah… Bill Dungsroman The Jesus Freak.
So, honestly, WTF?
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An argument for genital mutilation. Laugh if you like, but there is something to be said for aesthetics.
Sure, when it’s an adult making the decision for themself.
I don’t know what it is doc. What ever side she takes, I just feel this strange compulsion to argue for the other side. It so sick and demented, but I just can’t stop myself.
PLEASE GOD HELP ME! :)
Whoah, again, I said labial plasty, not ectomy. Hey, if it wouldn’t have bothered you to find out later on that most of the girls around you had had their labia trimmed a bit so they don’t look like that pic (to say for a moment that all women have labia that look like that pic, to make this analogy work), then okay. As you say, your choice. Ultimately, you’re all probably right. We ought not to have ever started the practice of circumcision. I would imagine its roots come from wearing loinclothes or other garments in conjunction with poorer hygeinic habits than typically practiced in the modern world. Nowadays, sure it’s no more than tradition, whether religious or societal in origin. I oughta go ask my mom and pop why they had me circumsized, since they were filthy heathens who brooked no desire for the precepts or practices of organized religion. I’d say I was half-joking and this is like, a dick thread and all, but only me and Bullski are even wearing a half-smile at this point and Angie is accusing me of taking her labia.
So, you’re all totally right about this circumcision thing, and I was mostly wrong. I guess it’s just because I was circumsized, never really knew much else until much later in life, was totally effing grossed out when I saw this big crazy uncircumsized dick in a porn flick, and more or less gathered that in my neck of the woods, most dudes were cut and chicks, as a result, preferred 'em that way. So, instead of championing the injustices of getting a nonessential piece of skin that many find odd purely by local experience removed and feelig betrayed and subjugated because of it, I pretty much laughed it all off and consoled myself with the notion it might help me get more pussy. But, like infection rates, I have no concrete proof either way.
Not sure of the origins, but they are pretty specifically localized so it’s not like it was a massive human optimization on a worldwide scale.
I oughta go ask my mom and pop why they had me circumsized, since they were filthy heathens who brooked no desire for the precepts or practices of organized religion.
Until something like the 70s, a lot of parents weren’t even ASKED, it was done as SOP.
I guess it’s just because I was circumsized, never really knew much else until much later in life, was totally effing grossed out when I saw this big crazy uncircumsized dick in a porn flick, and more or less gathered that in my neck of the woods, most dudes were cut and chicks, as a result, preferred 'em that way.
This is completely reasonable but you have to take into account that you’re dealing with being conditioned a certain way, and whether intentional or not you’re rationalizing it because you’ve never HAD a foreskin to compare it against. Most men with foreskins would not exactly consider it inconsequential. I’m sure there’s some surveys out there that could back this up.
And in the United States, circumsized males are a much larger percentage of the population, but this is rapidly dropping as science and societal pressure is demonstrating that circumcision is not necessary. In fact, technically speaking circumcision is a Bad Thing under Catholicism, but they give out a waiver since it was so common.
Sadly, a lot of my friends who are having their children circumcisized are doing it for one reason only – they had it done to themselves. No other explanation is offered, “I had it done, so he’ll have it done, I don’t want him to be different than me.”
Then again, I happen to think that people that get their infant daughter’s ears pierced are fucking insane, so whatever.
You find this a lot in cultures that promote female circumcision as well – the men promote it for religious or social reasons but it’s the women who hold fast to the tradition because it was done to them and their mothers and their grandmothers and so on. And they are the ones who fight hardest to keep doing it.
And I hear ya on the ear piercing. Infants don’t need shiny baubles to attract mates.