Star Citizen - Chris Roberts, lots of spaceship porn, lots of promises

[sharaleo]

Dude, you have zero evidence of a paid settlement or a value of said settlement. You throw shit out on twitter suggesting a paid settlement and hinting at a value (sizable portion of that $17.5m), but you have zip to back it up. If you have sources, tell them to put up or shut up, because at this stage you are just beginning to sound like a broken record.

You have been saying this thing is ‘dead in 6mo’ for four years and here it is, still trucking along. Don’t get me wrong, I firmly beleive this thing will never see the light of day as well, but at this stage your credibility as someone with ‘inside’ knowledge or contacts if kind of shot.

[cornchip]

Star Citizen will be eaten. Squadron 64 will be taken slave. CryEngine will be made a warlord’s jester. Lumberyard will be fine.

[JoshoB]

@Giles_Habibula

Gah! There are two of you now?

Spoiler for those who take this too seriously:

In case it isn’t obvious, I don’t know anything. Just like Derek Smart.

@sharaleo

You have been saying this thing is ‘dead in 6mo’ for four years and here it is, still trucking along. Don’t get me wrong, I firmly beleive this thing will never see the light of day as well, but at this stage your credibility as someone with ‘inside’ knowledge or contacts if kind of shot.

Again, see also the Star Control: Origins thread, where dear Derek got it completely wrong.

[dsmart]

@sharaleo

Dude, you have zero evidence of a paid settlement or a value of said settlement. You throw shit out on twitter suggesting a paid settlement and hinting at a value (sizable portion of that $17.5m), but you have zip to back it up. If you have sources, tell them to put up or shut up, because at this stage you are just beginning to sound like a broken record.

lol!! Yeah, OK. Because that’s totally how sources work. Not to mention the fact that, since July 2015, I’ve been pretty spot-on right to present day. But by all means, do keep your blinders on, it’s pretty fun. Seriously, it is. So carry on, and I’ll just chuckle quietly.

You have been saying this thing is ‘dead in 6mo’ for four years and here it is, still trucking along. Don’t get me wrong, I firmly beleive this thing will never see the light of day as well, but at this stage your credibility as someone with ‘inside’ knowledge or contacts if kind of shot.

You know what’s really funny? That you actually believe all of that. But OK.

[dsmart]

@JoshoB

Again, see also the Star Control: Origins thread, where dear Derek got it completely wrong.

Not even close. But by all means, do post the excerpt where I got anything wrong in that thread. In fact, I got it all correct, despite being battered from all sides because you guys generally hate Brad, who has been a friend of mine for decades.

[Thrag]

For one you proclaimed “no settlement” right before the settlement. How did you forget that? It was hilarious.

[Thrag]

Oh, and there was the time you claimed to have secret info that Stardock had some ace in the hole that would crush Paul and Fred and they’d be fools to continue the suit.

[JoshoB]

You’re precious, Derek. Don’t ever change.

[dsmart]

@Thrag

For one you proclaimed “no settlement” right before the settlement. How did you forget that? It was hilarious.

You can’t be serious. Even BEFORE I said it, so did Brad - in public. It wasn’t until weeks (yup, we have a thread with that) later that they decided to settle.

That’s shockingly how lawsuits tend to work.

To wit, the same thing happened with Star Citizen which Crytek & CIG suddenly decided to settle when CryTek decided to dismiss their lawsuit with leave to refile when SQ42 launched. And that was AFTER they discovered (something which I was right about) that CIG never did switch to LumberYard, and thus were still using CryEngine in both Star Citizen & SQ42.

That key element (which I outlined in my 2016 blog and ALL my tweets about it) is what forced CIG to settle on CryTek’s terms.

If you were actually following the events of the lawsuit filings and commentary, you would know that CIG tried no less than THREE times to settle, but CryTek rejected it, opting instead to wait for discovery to conclude. And before discovery even concluded, they had the key piece of the puzzle which they knew would be found in discovery. That being: they never switched - at all. Just as I had said back when I started covering the lawsuit in 2017. Good thing that I have it all fully documented in a nice chronological thread.

And just like that, they agreed to settle.

That you think the case was settled without any payments to Crytek, even after discovery gave them the major key piece in their lawsuit - and which SURVIVED the CIG motion to dismiss, is blatant ignorance or an act of denial akin to anti-vaxers or moronic flat-Earthers.

That’s how lawsuits work.

ps. I never - once - claimed that the $17.5m raised by CIG in Jan all went to Crytek. What I did claim is that CIG needed funds to settle the case. And it’s no coincidence that, as per the PUBLIC filings, it happened around the SAME time as the settlement notice was filed with the court. Not to mention that in order to raise that money - in a time of “record” backer funding according to their totally-accurate-funding-chart - a $46m investor (the bailout guys) from Summer 2018 increased their position for PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR (in stark contrast to what they paid in 2018 for their $46m buy-in). I have facts to back this up because they are public. What do you have besides pointless attacks and exhibiting of abject denial and/or ignorance?

Your move.

@Thrag

Oh, and there was the time you claimed to have secret info that Stardock had some ace in the hole that would crush Paul and Fred and they’d be fools to continue the suit.

Funny thing is that this shows you never actually followed the lawsuit because, as you are won to do, paying attention and/or sticking to facts was never your strong suit. So you missed it. Either that or you’re still doing what you do: displaying ignorance.

[Thrag]

So what you are saying is, you were wrong. You could have done that with far fewer words.

@dsmart

No settlement.

@dsmart

Details are confidential, but at this point it’s look like it’s off to trial.

[Thrag]

@dsmart

It wasn’t until weeks (yup, we have a thread with that) later that they decided to settle.

And you are wrong again, or just lying to try and save face. It was a few days, not weeks, from when you were wrong about there being no settlement to when the settlement was announced.

But have fun ranting about how you weren’t wrong when you were so clearly and obviously wrong.

[Thrag]

Wait, I do have to correct myself on Derek’s claim on the timing of when he was definitively proven wrong about the Star Control settlement. It was not a few days as I initially recalled. The news of the settlement came literally the same day (Jun 7) as Derek’s claim that it’s off to trial.

The fractal wrongness of Derek Smart just keeps giving as one zooms in.

[Thrag]

I see you typing and look forward to your senseless rage. Since you made me go back to the thread, here’s some more wrongness for you.

@dsmart

I can’t imagine P&F releasing a game without Star Control in the name. So any settlement (not the totally-not-hilarious version that Brad sent them before) probably includes them having irrevocable and perpetual rights to use that trademark in their game.

Would you like more?

[Thrag]

Man, I can hear the keyboard pounding from here. This is going to be great.

[Thrag]

If anyone needs more examples of wrong, Derek claimed to have “space sim cred” in that thread.

[dsmart]

Here, let me help you with your disingenuous excerpt. You’re never - ever - going to beat me at this because, unlike you, I do research.

• June 7, 2019

• June 11, 2019

https://twitter.com/draginol/status/1138536820159832064

• June 11, 2019

Stardock and Star Control creators settle lawsuits—with mead and honey

“Wardell jumped in then to explain that he and Reiche hammered out the details of the entire settlement in a conversation lasting a couple of hours. The collection of attorneys attached to the case then spent several weeks transforming the quick agreement into a formalized settlement offer.”

• June 19, 2019

“No Settlement”

• June 19, 2019

“Details are confidential, but at this point it’s look like it’s off to trial.”

• June 19, 2019

The Third Doctrinal War -- Stardock, Reiche/Ford, and Star Control

Did you finish tying yourself in knots yet? I wasn’t talking about confidential details as it pertains to how it was going to be settled; but that they’re in discussions on a settlement - and it’s not going anywhere last I heard about a week ago. And don’t you know it, literally several hours later, word broke that they found a way to settle it.

The Third Doctrinal War -- Stardock, Reiche/Ford, and Star Control

Besides being friends with Brad and some of the parties, I know everything about the case. And aside from what I have said publicly, I take confidentiality seriously, and my goal isn’t, and never has been, to score points with people on the Internet at the expense of trust. It’s why people tell me things because I know quite a lot of people in the biz - and they all trust me because they know I’m old school and take that shit seriously. The case was headed for trial and they were both stuck on…

That was within a span of a week. Do you REALLY believe that knowing the events of June 11, that I would - on June 19th - just post to troll the thread? OK you don’t have to answer that.

If you actually followed events closely, you would know that they had settlement talks at various points - and it fell apart when it came down to key points. Heck, both sides have posted about this extensively - in public. So somehow they found a way to settle it during that period and - unlike Brad - Fred & Paul actually posted the exact wording of the settlement. Notice anything in there that jumps at you about this settlement and why settlement FAILED more than once before? I will leave that for you to figure out as homework (assuming you were paying attention at all).

Nice try though. I’m in mandatory lock-down; so I can do this all day. Let’s go.

[Thrag]

Yes, Jun 7, same day you made the claim it was off to trail. Thanks for proving my point.

[Thrag]

@dsmart

that I would - on June 19th - just post to troll the thread?

Separate from the particular circumstance where you were just wrong and not trolling, do you honestly believe that nobody could conceive of you posting just to troll a thread? I mean really now Derek.

Have fun with your rage.

[dsmart]

@Thrag

Yes, Jun 7, same say you made the claim it was off to trail. Thanks for proving my point.

I accept your defeat.

[JoshoB]

@dsmart

you guys generally hate Brad

I don’t want to pour gasoline on this particular fire, but this is something you’ve also repeatedly said in that thread and it just isn’t true. You also claimed that the result of the law suit would disappoint all of us, at which point pretty much everyone said that we were only disappointed by the fact that Brad wasn’t covering himself in glory with his behaviour re: Star Control, and when everything was resolved more or less amicably, I think we were all relieved more than anything.

Put in a different way: if I hated Brad, why would I literally be about to start up Galactic Civilizations III in a few moments? I actually have every single Stardock game in my collection, DLC included.

But sure, keep insisting that you’re right and the rest of the world is wrong.

But anyway… what about this Star Citizen thing, eh? Has it become any more stable in recent releases?