Tax Reform Under Trump 2017


#2111

I’ve never had any particular complaints about Kaiser. OTOH, I’ve always been a relatively healthy guy (I’m 57 now, so naturally there have been a couple of issues over the years).


#2113

Why is their a random link in the quote? There wasn’t one originally? Are you a shaddy bot?


#2114

Yes, he for sure is a bot.


#2115

I knew it. I knew he was a shady bot. Wait, does this mean that Trump is a shady bot as well?


#2116

I got bot-quoted!


#2117

Indeed!


#2118

This is good news, right?


#2119

The Democrats are going to have to be the adults to start correcting this, which means raising taxes and probably being handed a slowing (or crashing) economy.

It’s going to be a mess, and because Americans are dumb as shit the Dems will get the blame for it and they’ll hand all three branches of government back to the next wave of syphilitic Koch fuccbois and Donald Trump Jr.


#2120

What’s gross is that they create the increased deficit by giving tax cuts to people who don’t need them and then turn around and use it to create a moral panic about it, for which the prescription is always to slash safety net programs.

And meanwhile they take credit for a great economy (which is only really all that great if you’ve got a high-skill job that actually pays enough to live on, or are a “donor class” person). It’s no great trick to stimulate the economy with enough deficit spending – although income tax cuts (unless taxes are way too high to begin with) are among the least efficient ways to do it.


#2121

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#2122

So, the Democrats do this and what is the endgame? The Democrats get voted out of office and the GOP drives the bus back over the cliff.


#2123

WHEN DID THE DEMOCRATS BECOME THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THE NATIONAL DEBT!?!

We are in crazy world now.


#2124

Honestly? Pretty much since forever.

The only time they didn’t was World War 2 and that was a justifiable event to not worry about it.


#2125

Oh, I know, but there was this party once who liked to bring up the national debt any time a social program like healthcare or welfare was proposed. Where are they now?


#2126

Same place they always were: pretending it mattered while always making it worse.

Create a problem. “Solve” the problem you created. Repeat for 30+ years. Profit.


#2127

I’m actually going to argue that it was during Clinton’s Presidency (in the aftermath of Ross Perot’s “great sucking sound” campaign). It was then that most Democrats actually started funding their projects, only to have the GOP vote against the taxes to pay for them. That’s definitely been the pattern at the Federal as well as the State level (part of the reason CA’s budget got so bad was unfunded mandates, whether from the legislature or initiative process). The Democrats have been the party of fiscal sanity and economic rescue for 37 years now (quite frankly, because in the wake of Reagan, they had to, and it’s carried on to (most) of the party… at least until the rise of Bernie Sanders.


#2128

The moment they lost full control of congress and the white house. That’s how it’s worked in America for 30 years. The minority party gets to be the one who cares about the debt, and the majority party gets to be the one to expand it. They take turns.


#2129

Except… that’s not quite true. The trend during Dem presidencies is declining deficits, while GOP ones is expanding deficits.

Like, yes, the debt grew during Obama’s term, but it’s not quite his fault when he inherited a deficit over a trillion dollars. Had he tried to zero it out immediately it would have made a bad situation worse.


#2130

The president isn’t who spends money. That’s the job of Congress. The president can merely suggest a budget.


#2131

Good Lord. You should all work for the New York Times, the bothsidesism is so strong in you.