CraigM
3760
I agree. Realistically, I doubt we would agree with Klaatu, but most of the time when people complain about Obama’s policies, I’ve not gotten specific answers about which policies they oppose.
This isn’t to say there aren’t plenty of policies I disagree with Obama on, but they are things that, really, have little impact on my day to day. Things like handling of drone strikes, red lines, Syria more generally, the continued inaction on federal marijuana standards, etc.
Most of the time I merely get uttered complaints about gun rights… mutter mutter religious liberty (FFS there is no such thing as a War on Christmas you dolt). It is not a convincing argument.
But I would be interested if there is something more concrete there.
Timex
3761
So you voted for Trump. I mean, to be clear, that would be the only rational vote to support your position of Clinton being “by far the worst choice”.
But the reluctance to admit this is odd, as it would imply some sort of revelation of his terrible Trump is.
Which, of course, he is. But for such Revelation to be missed for months during an election, and then come upon before he is even inaugurated, is odd.
I suspect it get worse, as things go on. Trump is clearly the man he presented during the campaign, so fantasies of him somehow transforming into a man worthy of the presidency were clearly just that, a fantasy. And you will be forced to watch the fruits of your labor blossom over the next four years.
rowe33
3762
Oh damnnnn, we’ve been served! Glad you’re leaving, bye!
He will never answer this, because he has no motivation or argument beyond being angry at libtards. It’s not worth engaging, he’s a classic troll.
JFrazer
3765
I’m sorry you feel attacked by someone who is disagreeing with you. I don’t believe I made any personal or even direct attacks. All i did was post a link to your original post and point out that you were overjoyed by Hillary losing and, by proxy, overjoyed by Trump winning. If by “…the ideas” you mean the notion that Trump is better than Hillary, than yeah, I’ll attack that all day long. I didn’t, but I really didn’t feel the need to since it’s 1) self-evident and 2) has already been done by people much better at it than I could hope to be.
I’m sure it’s hard being a Trump supporter in a forum full of “libtards”. Most of us here see things differently than you do. Disagreement isn’t attack though, in most cases it is debate. The Qt3 forums are fairly good at keeping things at the debate level and staying away from the attacks, even on hotly contested topics. The discussions get heated and sometimes cross the line, but I like to think that in the end we all kind of hug and make up in most cases.
As a side note, not supporting Trump doesn’t make you a liberal. Hell, Trump isn’t even a Conservative. Other than being a 2nd amendment supporter and an isolationist, most of his political views (his real ones, not the sound bites on the campaign trail) are fairly socially liberal. For me, I’m most of a centrist. I believe in a live-and-let live attitude towards people and the laws meant to support that view. I’m pro gay marriage but also anti “you have to use one of these 72 self-selected pronouns or you get fined”. I’m anti-discrimination as well as anti-quotas. Most people here can’t be just dropped in to some bucket of libtard-edness. Those types of attempts at labels are an attempt to draw a black/white, right/wrong line in the sand to allow for the us vs them attitude to perpetuate. Most people, which includes people on both side of the Trump/anti-Trump fence, have a more nuanced view of the world and fall in to one of the grey categories in the middle of the partisan debates.
A “second amendment supporter” who thinks the police know who should have guns and should just take them away from people who shouldn’t.
rowe33
3767
Well it’s definitely a black and white issue for Trump, literally.
JFrazer
3768
True. “She’s going to take away your guns and I’m going to make sure the 2nd Amendment is honored” could be just another sound-bite that worked and got repeated without it being his actual views. He was really good at finding what played well to a voting group and repeating those messages on the campaign trail without really believing in what he was saying…
He was an actor playing the part of “Conservative Republican”. Now that he’s elected, we’re seeing a lot of those masks falling away.
Miramon
3769
The true Trumps persona is the one that just tweets random pandering bullshit that upsets the markets and enrages our allies because he doesn’t understand the campaign is over.
ShivaX
3770
Historically he was anti-gun. He only changed his mind when he started running for the GOP where that is a 100% non-starter.
Honestly, he just doesn’t give a shit either way. At least until someone takes a shot at him, then he might start quoting Reagan.
Timex
3771
Yeah, it’s not like he’s a progressive. He’s just an authoritarian megalomaniac.
He’s going to fuck over conservatives as much as liberals.
ShivaX
3772
RIP American Conservatism.
Miramon
3773
Wow, so debt is okay so long as it’s a GOP budget. But heaven forfend a Democrat propose a budget, much less a black one. I guess we always knew this, but it’s wonderful for them to come out and admit it.
No man, it’s totally different because instead of paying for useless luxuries like science funding or food for poor children, we’re now going to be paying for vital necessities, like impossible walls, revoking citizens civil rights, and subsidies for corporations.
Menzo
3775
Don’t forget lower taxes for “job creators”!
JFrazer
3776
It drives me nuts that voters have been falling for that for so long. I think it’s because it’s so easy to make it sound reasonable. “Companies would hire more if they had money money”. We all know that isn’t the case though, no matter how reasonable it sounds on paper.
One of the only ways to make it a reality would be to tie the tax breaks directly to the hiring. Hell, something as simple as “instead of writing off 100% of salary, you get to write off 104% of salary” would be enough to get some companies to hire some extras on board.
Daagar
3777
No need, we’re already hiring many more people than before. Granted, they are all quarter-priced people in outsourced countries. But we are creating jobs for them at an amazing rate!
This whole story is weird.
Ivanka Trump was on a JetBlue plane with her kids when another passenger started harassing her. The flight crew escorted the harasser off the plane, which I think they were right to do, but why was Ivanka Trump flying on a JetBlue plane? Where was the Secret Service?
If you really want to be entertained, hit up Twitter and read all about how every liberal in America is to blame for this one person being a dick.
