XCOM 2: War of the Chosen's leaderboard may be the end of diplomacy


I was answering this question. The mods to campaigns I was referring to are included in the WotC settings. Skill tree randomization refers to the “extra” skills that each soldier gets in her tree. Difficulty settings change the game greatly. The dark events changing is almost exactly what you were talking about in your “grand strategy” idea – perhaps more random than you meant. No, it’s not a different game, (what game is?), but I’m unclear on what exactly would do it for you.

If you are interested, I’d be happy to go into more detail. If your mind’s made up, please save me the time.

edit: sorry if this came off as aggressive. I don’t feel aggressive. Just sincere.


I am not sure how to express what I was looking for. Let me make an analogy, which I hope is not too abstract.

I want a different story. That is what interests me, a new story and not to experience the same story again.
Consider Hamlet, the play. I watch / read or whatever this play. I like it. I am now familiar with the story.
Now consider the “The Lion King”. This story is Hamlet. It is very different than the movie Hamlet with humans and live action, yet it is still Hamlet.

Having just watched a Hamlet movie, I do not wish to watch the Lion King because it is the same story even though they were different movies.

Do you understand what I mean? So things like difficulty and other minor tweaks, while different still end up with the same story.


Yep, very clear, thank you. I think the only thing that would get you there is a total conversion mod. I don’t know of any that really play with the story like this. Long War 2 is a possibility. It might be different enough for you. Worth checking out a let’s play for it at least. I would recommend Xwynns’ stuff on youtube.

Of course LW2 comes with a much greater length and difficulty and still passes through and ends in the same places. Maybe too much Lion King for your tastes.

Edit: come to think of it, I doubt it tells a different enough story.


Sounds like you really want XCOM 3. Me too.


I was just thinking that! Me three.


I do wan’t xcom 3. However, I would also like them to figure a way to solve this problem. Civ solves this problem, too bad the AI is worthless.

In Civ, if you play a game on a pangea map vs one on an archipelago, that is a very different experience. Also different victory conditions such as science vs conquest. Mix up all that with the random terrain and you have tremendous replayability.

I am not sure what concepts Xcom can use to do this. That is where I was thinking about grand strategies might make some difference, but probably not enough. Different victory conditions might help a lot too, but again, I am not sure what those would be in an xcom universe. Perhaps a science victory might involve building a global psi shield which breaks the elder’s psionic network leaving their troops in chaos and maybe even rebelling.

I have a feeling that XCom 3 will not be a battle between the elders and humans, but whatever it is that they claimed to be protecting us from, the “true” enemy. Or perhaps that will just be something for another game. Maybe humans will go on the offensive and have to secure our solar system, and then xcom 4 will go beyond that, but that is just counting chickens at this point.


From the ending I think it is pretty clear the next one will go underwater.


Really? Does that mean mostly interiors? I would hate that.


Have you played the original Terror from the Deep? That would be my guess where they go with it. At least in a general sense with their own take on it.


Ugh, me too. I didn’t like Terror from the Deep either. I do not want a game under the water. I’d much rather we take to the stars to start defeating the aliens on their planets/outposts/ships. And every planet/outpost/ship/etc you defeat adds something to your tool box.


That does not sound like Xcom to me though. Would be a cool game but not an xcom game. For me xcom has always been about defending earth against overpowering alien invaders. Going on the offensive into the stars seems a bit too far out for the franchise.

I also loved TFtD. Done right with modern technology with swimming etc it could be really something.


It would need something to make it different. Even leaving out the originals, it’s a familiar formula now.


The final battle of the original XCOM game was on another planet. Remember Cydonia?


Honestly, I really don’t and had to Google it. I played much more TftD then the original and it has been a while so may misremember details from that game as well. Thanks for pointing that out!


Not to mention there were a series of battles in XCom 3 that took place on another world/in another dimension.


Can someone tell me when this happened?

I get to the big chamber in the last mission. Kill some vipers. Then the game zooms in on a door. Cutscene. Now my guys are in the chamber. Used to have to pass through that short bridge. I could be careful, set my squad up. Lines of fire etc. Now they’re plopped right near the big statue? WTF?


I first encountered it with WOTC release. Surprised me too.


WOTC changed it. I believe you can still set up as long as you don’t accidentally trigger vision on the enemy. The switch isn’t all bad - you get a reuse of any “once per mission” passives.


This game is incredibly frustrating, even on the default difficulty. I don’t know how you guys play it on the harder difficulty levels. It’s incredibly fun and exciting when things go your way, but, yeah, that never happens in WotC.

Mind control remains incredibly OP’d. If they MC a high-ish ranger with the blademaster or whatever ability and they’re surrounded by allies because you’re attacking a UFO? Yeah, you’re done. Just ALT-F4 because that ranger will one-shot your whole team.

I love how the Chosen are weak against one type of the new rebel classes, but – hah! – mine are all dead due to bullshit. My templar ran up to one-shot a Muton. Missed, of course. So I ran her as far as way as possible on her second action. Didn’t matter, he just ran up to her and one-shot her instead. Yeah, that’s the breaks of XCOM - she missed, so she deserved to die. Except I sort of need these newer more powerful classes to counter the newer more powerful enemies, and mine are all dead.

I finally manage to use the Skulljack on a Commander, only to remember, oh yeah, that spawns a miniboss that would give a Chosen a run for their money. A miniboss I was totally unprepared for. Reload. Next map, there’s a Commander, but oh joy, here comes a Chosen. That Commander is going to die, no Skulljack bullshit for him.

I also love how killing a Chosen does fuck all. Here’s some AP for the classes you don’t have because they died to typical XCOM bullshit.

In the XCOM2 base game, I had to restart twice before I got a good game going. Won on my third campaign. I’m already on my third campaign in WotC.


Sounds like you’re loving it. :)