Your privacy concerns with Kinect were not foolish

This seems like pretty small potatoes.

Everyone make fun of me for not using Siri, Cortana or any Alexa device. Go ahead. I’ll try not to cry. :)


So they are carefully watching my wife or I taking the dogs out for walkies? Or the hundreds of times that a car causes a flash of sun on the IR sensor? Good for them. :)

Great, no doubt somebody out there at Microsoft is now trading videos of my swinging penis.

Those poor fellas who had to watch me play Dance Central.

Nope, I’m with you on this.

Not out of privacy concerns, I just didn’t think they were at all useful.

Ditto the Bixby thing that came with my Samsung phone.

Hey, look, another argument against anything Microsoft in the living room!


Fixed it for you. :)

Ring basically faces the street or is outside. A creepy neighbor could also record you and watch it over and over and over again or post it. There was always concerns about privacy.

When we get a benevolent company that provides for these kind of services, let me know. It seems we don’t have much of a choice other than take it or leave it at this point. It’s fine for some to choose leave it of course.

Take it or leave it is fine on your property where you control lines of sight. And a lot of people would not be ok with an anonymous stranger standing at their front door recording what they can see 24/7. And in this case, it is not just your choice, but the choice of every neighbor and everyone whos external camera is pointed at your property incidentally or which you pass by in your daily anonymity.

These are basically just more internet-streaming public cameras with geographic identifiable tags, so Amazon needs to be more careful handing over the keys to operations in other countries (like Ukraine). Little bits of data can be hard to use, but imagine being able to access data about who is home or leaving home with certain schedules, and combining it with, say, voter registration data and Facebook posts, if you are hoping to influence an election. Targets can be served “ad” content which shows up only when a vulnerable person is home alone, for example. This is the micro-targeted level of detail groups are working towards, and not just parties within the US.

If a stranger stands in the street and records you, including your front door, there isn’t much you can do about it. It’s not against the law. Hell in your backyard, we’re still trying to figure out what people are allowed to do with drones and those cameras.

I absolutely think they’re overstepping, but whether you are okay with something or not has nothing to do with the actual law or what these companies are allowed to do. Meanwhile a lot of people with modern phones are letting Siri and Google Assistant just gobble up with they say, by default too. In a Walgreens world, I’d prefer they not review that material at all, but that’s not the world we live in.

… in America. I’ve been told I can’t just put a camera filming the street around here, although I don’t think there’s many actual barriers for whoever does it.

Put a camera… where? On the side of your house, a post in your yard… like where did they say you couldn’t mount that camera and what law or ordinance did they site?

tl;dr - Maybe, maybe not

Generally, any publically viewable areas like back yards are fair game – which is how companies like Google can record their Street View images across the United States.

Of course I was talking about the front door which is… publicly view-able, not really the land behind a fence, the doorbell being Ring’s best known product at the moment.

I’m not sure if I was clear I wasn’t in America. I think a friend of mine who works in his father’s construction company told, but, regardless, I found a link, since the legislation seems too much to read at the moment. Either way, having asked two lawyers in the immediate family about a similar thing, it would be pointless, as you can’t present random non-consensual recordings in court.
I’m not sure how much it applies in the whole EU, pre or post GDPR, but I would be surprised if it was very different.

OH! Duh. then, yes, although it’s tricky because entryways tend to be small, some even open directly to the street. But I’m lucky in that regard, the move was fairly recent and I wasn’t even thinking of this house.

This stuff will make it’s way to the courts and things and get better settled. The TechCrunch article is specifying their doorbell product, and most doorbells are going to be publicly accessible and view-able because… well doorbell.

The drone stuff has come up a few times due to them being shot down and their ability to view from the air which is not really owned.

What happens if someone hooks a camera in a tree and just points it at their neighbor’s pool… well… who the heck knows.

I’m just mostly saying that if you can stand on the sidewalk or in the street and basically get almost the same shots, it’s generally a public space. All of this is from USA POV. It seems like other similarly developed countries have a heck of a lot more privacy laws and considerations than we do.

The US has privacy laws, they just usually only cover areas you expect to have privacy. Your home, the bathroom, locker rooms, changing rooms, etc.

You can’t reasonably expect privacy when you’re in public view.

Well… sort of.

1998 case, not 1950.

This stuff can get really, really specific.