Star Citizen - Chris Roberts, lots of spaceship porn, lots of promises

[Gordon_Cameron]

Because 1e D&D art is the best. 70s-style tipping between amateur PeeChee doodling and actual professional art.

Erol Otus and Trampy for life yo

[KevinC]

The fundamental flaw in E:D is that it really doesn’t know what kind of critter it is. It started out early in its development as balanced for SP. Then that went away, and now it, like every other game that tries to manage simultaneous stat/weapon/etc. balancing between SP and MP (hi, The Division!, shits all over itself in one direction or another.

The Evochron games were never balanced for competitive MP. I guess that’s why I consider it SP and Elite MP.

I agree with your assessment on both titles. I’m probably an outlier, but what I really want in games is to take a terrific single-player experience and just let me play with my nephew or a friend if I so desire. I think Divinity: Original Sin 2 is a good example. I have plenty of fun on my own, but if a friend or two wants to join? Hop on in!

I wanted that with the Elite multiplayer. Just give me an awesome Elite experience and let a friend tag along. Don’t try to turn it into this wishy-washy wannabe-but-not-really MMO that leaves no one happy. The design of a lot of stuff in Elite is just an absolute mess. I know we’ve talked about that in other threads, so no need for me to poop in this one, but man… the game is so incredible in certain areas it makes it’s faults all the more frustrating. I wish the whole thing just sucked so that I didn’t ever have to think about what the game could be!

[BrianRubin]

I agree with your assessment on both titles. I’m probably an outlier, but what I really want in games is to take a terrific single-player experience and just let me play with my nephew or a friend if I so desire. I think Divinity: Original Sin 2 is a good example. I have plenty of fun on my own, but if a friend or two wants to join? Hop on in!

Evochron can totally let you do that if you join the same server.

[KevinC]

Yep, for sure. I love Evochron.

[Gordon_Cameron]

E:D got bad? Bummer.

[divedivedive]

E:D isn’t bad, it’s just fairly empty. Which is a quality I kind of appreciate in my space sims.

[Gordon_Cameron]

I’m familiar with the emptiness. But now apparently the design is a mess!

[BrianRubin]

E:D got bad? Bummer.

It didn’t really get bad, it just, for me, took a while to realize just how…devoid of actual gameplay the game is. It’s a great take-off and docking simulator…everything in between? Meh…

[Gordon_Cameron]

Well the critiques upthread are all about balance and SP/MP confusion.

I already knew E:D was empty, but I love the combat model and the feel of the ships and have been planning to go back at some point.

[BrianRubin]

Well the critiques upthread are all about balance and SP/MP confusion.

OH god that too. WHY DO WINGS NEVER WORK? Gawd.

[dsmart]

6yrs + $166m @ 18% complete =

[BloodyBattleBrain]

So if Pareto’s law holds true, then this 20% they’ve done has taken 805 of the time, and the remaining 80% should be done soonish?

So 2020 for a full game?

[Brooski]

I want to explore a realistic universe that includes real stars and planet surfaces, for free! Well then, that would be Space Engine.

I want Space Engine, but with less-interesting planets, and I want to shoot stuff, trade, etc. Why, that would be Elite Dangerous.

I want Elite, but I want it single-player only, and don’t mind a little loss of fidelity. Hey, that’s basically Evochron Legacy.

I want to explore a completely unrealistic, but very colorful universe, including aliens!. Annnnd that’s No Man’s Sky.

I want something completely different in space. I loved the naval combat in Assassin’s Creed Black Flag, so… Goddamn, it’s your lucky day… Rebel Galaxy is all for you.

I want to hopelessly dump money into a product that I’m locked in to, a product that I can invest myself in so much that I’m willing to completely suspend disbelief and reason about what I’ve been suckered in to… see thread title.

Where does Star Raiders fit into this rubric?

[Starflightdream]

Oh man, I’m being audacious to talk about it here but if you want a MMO, try Vendetta Online. It’s not at all a perfect game but it’s my favorite. One of the big things it gets right over E:D is the inventory system. Another is that you are playing in the same space as everyone else (hello blockades). You can conquer stations, manufacture capital ships…

The graphics are nowhere near what I’ve seen from Star Citizen, but at least there is a real game there, even more so than in Elite in some ways.

[divedivedive]

Where does Star Raiders fit into this rubric?

About to get sued by @Gordon_Cameron for copyright infringement, I imagine.

[BrianRubin]

even more so than in Elite in some ways.

In just about every say save graphics and flight modeling. VO has better missions, a more realistic economy and actual…gameplay.

[Gordon_Cameron]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but flying around shooting at other spaceships once was considered ‘gameplay’ in its own right.

[scharmers]

Star Raiders was so awesome on the Atari 800… on the 2600, not so much :)

[dsmart]

I called it. They have started selling land. Yes, I’m serious.

[Starflightdream]

Hmm… where have I heard of that before…

Oh yes, Greed Monger.