The Vaccines vs Torch Wielding Mobs debate continues


Well, there’s some irrationality there, as people tend to over-estimate the likelihood of rare events (I don’t know if there’s a pithy term for that effect), and there’s an availability heuristic thing going on as well, where people have seen autistic children, but people can’t see the “people who would have gotten poiio if not vaccinated”, so they under-estimate the likelihood there.

If there’s any positive side to localized measles outbreaks, maybe it will break through to some people and remind them that yes, measles does still exist, and yes, it’s still possible to get it.


Nope, they’ve convinced themselves measles cures cancer.

I’m not kidding.


Sadly, it often goes by the rather mundane term called “probability weighting.”


Stupid/ignorant people should not be allowed to make these kinds of decisions that affect entire populations.

Wakefield should be rotting in jail for the rest of this life. He made up the autism link because he wanted to get filthy rich and his actions have killed and maimed untold lives.


A person will get seriously sick if they don’t have enough salt and water in their bodies.

So we should help him out, and drop him in the middle of the Pacific.



Only barely related, but this is a delight:

(Note: this is a comedy bit)


Can confirm, turmeric tastes like a fart.


Those thinking they are making a good health choice for their kids in choosing to not vaccinate need to listen to the voice of experience.


I loved reading that one idiot from Fox saying “Every babyboomer alive caught measles, and we’re fine!”

No shit dumbass, that’s because the ones who weren’t fine DIED FROM MEASLES.


Somewhere along the line, dumb people got the idea that measles is some unpleasant but mostly friendly rite of passage-type disease…like chickenpox, which almost everyone got and almost nobody died from.

Measles ain’t friendly.


Well it’s nowhere as bad a Measles and many of the other diseases, but Chickepox killed people every year and put thousands in the hospital. It can certainly be a very serious and lethal disease. I only mention this because we really don’t want people avoiding that vaccine either, and calling it a right of passage.


I had Chickenpox as an adult. At the time, if somebody had offered to me put out of my misery, I’d probably have accepted.


Yeah, the mortality rate for measles isn’t that high, but since it’s so infectious, it results in a non trivial number of deaths.

I believe that just prior to the introduction of the MMR vaccine, measles killed 500 people every year in the US.


Proposal: send anti-vaxxers to Oklahoma with a complimentary gift of Freedom Blankets.

I’m at least 20% joking.


I had it as a kid, unpleasant but fine. My mother got it - somehow, for a second time - as an adult and it was an awful experience, far worse than anything I had.


If they figure measles is fine and is a rite of passage, why don’t they just infect all their kids with measles?


I’m going to guess that you thought you were joking.


Ya, back when I was a kid, before the chickenpox vaccine, some parents intentionally exposed their kids to chickenpox.

The theory wasn’t bad… since chickenpox is the same virus as shingles, folks thought that catching it as a child prevented shingles as an adult, and since shingles is so much worse, it seemed smart.

Unfortunately, exposure as a child doesn’t immunize you against shingles. Turns out the virus just goes dormant near your nerves, and at some point when you are older, may activate itself. So, being exposed to chickenpox as a child actually increases your chances of contracting shingles as an adult (since it’s less likely you will be exposed to chickenpox as an adult these days, since folks are vaccinated against it now).

So, back in the day, those parents were actually trying to vaccinate their kids against shingles… now, it’s done by anti-vaxxers who think that it’s some kind of “natural vaccination” process, because they are dumb and afraid of actual vaccines.


Chickenpox is also fairly horrible as an adult compared to as a child, so part of the theory was to get it early when it wasn’t as bad.