The Xbox issue from the man himself.
Then we need to stop here. I’m not reading about HDR differences, im seeing them.
That video you posted has almost nothing to do with HDR TV quality; for one thing
But another, that video showed how badly Nvidia was botching that test - in fact they were probably cheating with a regular G-Sync panel. Showing some random dude Youtuber vs the thousands of other videos showing differences with HDR is a bit disingenuous. But HDR really isn’t a good fit for PC games anyway - it’s a much better fit for closed systems like consoles and TVs, sort of like how it’s easier to get Dolby on TV content than on PC content.
Computer nerds like us think in terms of TN vs IPS, and IPS is of course always better (as we assume), but that logic is dated with actual TV displays, which almost always use VA technology, which have 4-6x the contrast level of IPS panels. Another problem with the Nvidia display shown was that it clearly wasn’t very bright, which is literally one of the base specifications for HDR content certification.
I know where you’re coming from, for years floor model TVs had hyped up saturation and brightness levels to pop out from the crowd. But HDR content really isn’t that, and if you haven’t seen it in person i’d be reluctant to hand wave it away. Sony and Microsoft wouldn’t be pushing it as hard as they are if it weren’t noticeable.
I’m not anti HDR in any way. But if you’re viewing HDR content on a non-OLED display, you literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
LG’s flagship OLED predictably took home the gold when it came to black quality, perceived contrast, off-axis performance, screen uniformity, and overall night viewing picture quality. Given a calibration, a high-quality sample, and enough break-in time, we’d expect OLED to beat LED almost every time in these categories and the G6—our top overall TV—didn’t disappoint.
The LG also won for color accuracy and HDR/wide color gamut, though I have my doubts about these results since there was some difficulty in actually getting all four TVs to display HDR10 and Dolby Vision content. And though the LG G6 does have highly saturated colors, the Helmholtz-Kohlrausch effect does mean that the brighter Sony, Samsung, and Vizio sets all look just as vibrant to my eyes.
Ultimately, the shootout does confirm what we’ve seen with our own eyes: OLED is still king
But in the brightness wars:
Where the LED TVs did pull into the lead was in the bright light viewing category, where Sony’s massive X940D took home the prize. Daytime viewing is especially advantageous for LED TVs because you need to get bright enough to overpower ambient light.
So yeah, if you like watching shows in bright sunlight, like some kind of fucking animal, then sure, ramping LED display brightness up to retina scorching levels might be useful… I guess?
Not everybody lives like a basement dweller. Some of us have windows and ambient light.
Sure, but image quality is usually a bigger concern for people talking about HDR in the first place. Focusing on this one weird “bright room” criteria smacks of apologism.
Okay, I know product naming isn’t an exact science, but WTF is going on at LG that nobody stopped and said “maybe we shouldn’t use the exact same name for both our new TV and phone.”?
As someone whose TV is in a living room with a massive east facing window on one wall, I can confirm the LG OLEDs are plenty bright. In fact, thanks (presumably) to the new coating, my B7 handles reflections (and ambient light) far, far better than my previous LCD telly. The only real issue re: brightness is tone mapping in HDR content mastered to 10k nits.
All PS4s support HDR. I’ve been playing HDR games on my standard PS4 since getting the TCL P605.
And the XboneS supports HDR.
Oh wow, I didn’t realize base model PS4s has always supported hdr. Too bad the pro has zero 4K blu-ray support, though…
I dunno @wumpus. After watching this video comparing itunes 4K movies to 4K Blu-ray, I’m not so sure Sony made a bad decision. Is the minimal upgrade in visual quality worth sitting through unskippable trailers and lame FBI warnings?
Well, some would argue hdr is a “minimal increase in image quality”. Do the back of the napkin math to understand how big 4K is and the bandwidth requirements. 90gb for a 2 hour movie, on disc anyway.
They did not. Older PS4s got HDR support at the same time as the release of the PS4 Pro.
To reconcile one difference between what you and Wumpus are saying, there is a significant difference between OLEDs (which do have “perfect blacks”) and plasma screens, which do not. Plasma certain had better blacks than LCDs and is closer to OLEDs than LCDS are in that respect, but OLEDs are on a different level of IQ.
Unrelated but didn’t want to make an extra reply: man, that Xbox One X video of its (initially) poor HDR support is really disappointing. Glad it’s an acknowledged flaw that I hope is fixable to a much better standard.
They have not, it was patched in around the time of the Pro’s release.
- They have not, it was patched in around the time of the Pro’s release. EDIT: dupe!
- They did not. Older PS4s got HDR support at the same time as the release of the PS4 Pro.
- They most certainly did not, sirrah, as 'twas added at a later date.
- Ils n’ont pas. Les anciennes PS4 bénéficiaient du support HDR en même temps que la sortie de la PS4 Pro.
- 그들은하지 않았다. 이전 PS4는 PS4 Pro의 출시와 동시에 HDR을 지원합니다.
I voted for the crazy Asian calligraphy option because it looks just like a tattoo I have right above my ass.
I know about the math, and it goes against logic, but streaming 4K HDR movies and TV shows looks pretty darn good, even at a fraction of the bitrate of 4K blu-ray. I was watching Mindhunter on Netflix last night on my LG OLED. The image quality is shockingly good with absolutely no digital artifacting that I could see. I was blown away.
Streaming 4K does look great when your ISP is being cooperative.
But a 4K Blu-ray with Dolby Atmos sound… Yowza. Streaming will have all that (I think Netflix has an Atmos movie right now) eventually, but for now, 4K Blu-ray can provide a top-end experience with consistent quality that’s not going to glitch if bandwidth hiccups.
Nah, it’s not necessary for your kids watching Jumanji. But with a big TV and surround sound setup at home, springing for the Ultra HD disc delivers an awesome experience.
Looks like Korean. Smells like kimchi, or maybe teen spirit. I can’t tell them apart.