It's time to have a 2020 Presidential Election thread

True, but it should be obvious that the counterpart to that is you don’t have to view it through a lens of naivety or foolishness either.

It’s not as if there are a shortage of articles going back 10 years discussing how she downplays her role in the Philip Morris defense to the level of dishonesty if all the third party evidence (both coworkers and documentary evidence) is to be believed. Nor are there a shortage of articles casting her as a political opportunist.

30 minutes reading up on her led to

A fierce opponent of immigration reform, she pushed for local law enforcement to carry out federal immigration policies. She wanted English to be the official language of the United States and cosponsored the SAVE Act, which aimed to “to crack down on illegal immigration with more border guards and surveillance technology, accelerated deportations and a mandatory program requiring employers to verify the immigration status of employees.” When Patterson appointed her as a senator in 2009 she was immediately criticized for her inexperience, her obvious ambition for higher office, and her flip-flopping on issues.

The flip-flopping was real: Shortly after her ascension to the Senate, she hired “a public-affairs consulting company with ties to the Hispanic community” and pledged her support for the DREAM Act, according to a 2013 Atlantic profile. All of a sudden she was pro-immigrant and pro–gun control, which she attributes to going on a “listening tour” through New York State, a move borrowed from Clinton.

In an interview with Politico’s Glenn Thrush last year, during the Democratic primaries, Gillibrand explained that she was deeply affected by meeting with families of gun violence victims. “It’s so crippling—I mean, I sat down with a mother last week in Brooklyn, and she lost her four-year-old baby… she took her kid to a park,” she told Thrush. “Every mom takes their kid to a park. And she took her kid to a park and the kid was killed, a baby, a four-year-old.”

It was all right out of the Hillary Clinton playbook; 16 months before her own election to the Senate, Clinton traveled the state on her own “listening tour.” Gillibrand says today that her evolution makes sense, as she now represents an entire state instead of just one congressional district. For that transformation to be credible, however, Gillibrand needed to undertake what Clinton had before: an observable period of “education,” even if it was one that was noticeably brief. (According to The New York Times, Schumer even had to tell her to “slow down” so that it didn’t look quite so blatantly political.)

While Congress was in the midst of an epic struggle to pass a bill on background checks, gun-reform advocates were doing whatever they could to pull vulnerable members off the fence. When Gillibrand brought up her bill on gun trafficking—a bill that would make it a federal crime for straw purchasers to legally buy weapons in states with loose gun laws and sell them to people in other states with stricter laws—some worried that the background-check bill, one of deep importance to Schumer, would suffer.
“The background-check bill was both the biggest policy fix and the most salable,” says one Washington gun-reform advocate who believed that Gillibrand was more interested in building her brand than ushering in successful legislation. “Neither of those facts was persuasive to Gillibrand, who was so eager to introduce the first bill with bipartisan support that she screwed Schumer by rushing out a trafficking bill. It was watered down, it was politically low-hanging fruit, and it gave members in both chambers an excuse to say they supported something. It let them off the hook way too easy.” The background-check bill has yet to make it to a vote.

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“She’s actually a problem,” says Bart Naylor of Public Citizen. “She’s not someone we go to when we want change on banking reform.”

Naylor points to a letter she wrote asking for the delay of the “Volcker Rule,” a proposal in the Dodd-Frank legislation that would reign in risky trading by the country’s largest banks. While Gillibrand likes to say she supports the rule, the language of the letter echoes arguments of those interests that have sought a more extensive delay.

The New York Times’ editorial board also raised concerns about Gillibrand in July of this year regarding yet another letter she signed, in which the senator urges delay of another portion of the Dodd-Frank law, this one involving derivatives. In doing so, The Times contended that Gillibrand was “going against the cause of reform, lobbying for delays that would derail the law.”

“It’s impossible to prove that the money influenced her, but all we can say is, Gillibrand gets money from Wall Street and does things as far as I can tell that Wall Street wants,” Naylor says.

Or the entirety of this:

Again, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with pragmatism, opportunism, or being willing to flow with your constituency/party. Quite the opposite, more people like her in the House/Senate would undoubtedly improve it.

But she’s running for President and nothing about her seems authentic beyond wanting to be President.

Something something white male, youthful indiscretion, who doesn’t like beer?, something something.

Poltiical hopeful likes to pretend she never worked on behalf of a tobacco company doesn’t sound like much of a knock to me. Who wouldn’t do that?

Gracious, I hope not. Pretty cute moment I thought.

Someone with the integrity to address it head on, rather than disingenuously characterise their role in it?

shrug We all have different standards. But if Hilary was pilloried for appearing fake, out of touch, ungenuine and inauthentic (as she was, often times unfairly), god help the dems if Gillibrand gets the nomination!

Name someone like that. One who is also / has been a candidate for President. I’ll wait.

This is kind of Warren in her element, and it’s pretty terrific.

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Yeah man but she claimed Native American ancestry on her bar application. That’s like, as bad as having a private email server. Can’t really have that kind of person as President now can we? Besides, she’s so far left that she wants to regulate banks and Wall Street. Can gulags and collectives be far behind? How long before we’ll all be starving in the streets. JUST LOOK AT VENEZUELA.


Spoiler because it’s longish and no one will read it anyway.

Summary

Don’t know who the writer is, but an interesting piece making the case for Sanders. (His argument as well as the other linked article are largely abstract and academic, given that the political reality we live in means framing the 2020 political debate in the stupidest light possible, i.e are you a socialists or a capitalist?! Pro-tip for the uninformed - every Democrat running, including Warren and Sanders are capitalists.)

The neoliberal case for Bernie Sanders | The Week

To win decisively against this right-wing version of populism, the Democrats need to offer an alternative — something big and bold that aims to change the priorities of the party and the culture of Washington at a fundamental level. The target must be the market-driven policy outlook that has dominated left-of-center politics since the election of “New Democrat” Bill Clinton in 1992. Ronald Reagan shifted the center several clicks to the right, and both Clinton and Barack Obama found themselves forced to abide by the change. But now rising populist energy and anger are poised to shift the center line back to the left.

This piece also links to another unknown writer that turns out to be rather insightful. The intro will turn off a lot of people here because he begins by discussing his own social media posts (twitter and face book.)

Beer Track, Wine Track, Get Me Off This Fucking Train
Beer Track, Wine Track, Get Me Off This Fucking Train

Now just so I’m clear: When I say ideology and argument, I don’t mean a candidate needs to channel Rawls. I mean, does she have a story about the American polity, about how we’ve come to the impasse we’re in (Trump, rampant inequality, rampant incarceration, a party of unadulterated nativism and racism and misogyny, the 1%, non-existent unions, winnowing voting rights, growing strike waves, impending extinction of the planet, etc.), about who is responsible for it (not just a villainous Republican Party but also a larger political economy and set of social actors), and how we’re going to reverse and undo this development.

The great realigners had such a story. Read FDR’s Commonwealth Club speech. Read Lincoln’s Cooper Union address. What you take away from those speeches is not a list of policies but a narrative, an ideologically-laden narrative, of the last however many decades of American politics, and how those years need to be brought to an end. Above all, they locate a variety of social ills (in Lincoln’s case, not just slavery but also winnowing democracy, constitutional decline, and so on; in FDR’s case, the end of the frontier, the Depression, reaching the limits of capitalist expansion) in a socially malignant form: the slaveocracy, in Lincoln’s case, the economic royalists, in FDR’s case. Again, they didn’t give you a laundry list of issues (sexual harassment here, taxes there, voting rights over there); they wove the whole thing into a single story, a single theory, locating each part in a larger whole.

Even if Warren were knowingly flat out bald face lying about her heritage for purely personal gain, which it seems clear she was/is not, it would in no way compare to Trump’s relentless mendacity about every single thing in his life. Hey, media, how about making this very clear point in your reporting?

Given how that turned out in '16, I wouldn’t hold my breath.

It is because she apologized for it. Trump never apologies, admits guilt, or concedes anything. You can’t do much in the news with that. Basicaly, Trump thinks that the media are terrorists, and he is not negotiating with terrorists. Warren (and pretty much anyone else) is talking to the press. So it gets more play.

http://theneedling.com/2019/02/20/howard-schultz-promises-to-move-nations-capitol-to-oklahoma-city-if-elected-president/

Heh, I didn’t realize he was the owner of the SuperSonics. Is it possible to get negative votes in a state?

So… he’s saying his run is a joke then.

Click the link and look at the source.

Vinny, don’t put too many onions in the sauce!

Amy Klobuchar can get fucked.

Most of those interviewed for this article — describing memories that span from shortly after her election in 2006 to the much more recent past — discussed their time with Ms. Klobuchar on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal from the senator. These concerns were not idle, they said. Saving potentially damaging emails from Ms. Klobuchar became something of a last-day ritual, the aides said, in case they ever needed evidence of her conduct for their own reputational protection.

She was known to throw office objects in frustration, including binders and phones, in the direction of aides, they said. Low-level employees were asked to perform duties they described as demeaning, like washing her dishes or other cleaning — a possible violation of Senate ethics rules, according to veterans of the chamber.

Among other concerns, her office’s paid parental leave policy has been described as unusual on Capitol Hill. Two people familiar with the policy said that those who took paid leave were effectively required, once they returned, to remain with the office for three times as many weeks as they had been gone. The policy, outlined in an employee handbook, called for those who left anyway to pay back money earned during the weeks they were on leave.

I mean, jesus, this is sounding nearly as bad as Trump.

How the hell is that “nearly as bad as Trump”??

Yeah, it’s really bad – and setting anecdotes there aside about combs and salads – the family leave thing is horrible

…but lets have some perspective with regards to Trump.

Y’know who I keep liking more and more?