I think there were witnesses that said she was shouting the n-word? I got that impression from earlier reports but I’m hardly following this to be honest. I’m only typing this out because it may be interesting that I have that impression and I’m just completely wrong, it would say something about reporting and social network effects.
I missed that bit, then. That would definitely change my take.
There is no evidence she’s a Nazis, but it’s clear they were allowed to be there so they “belong”;the articles says a friend invited them. We’re not quite in a place in the world where if it’s not in the video it didn’t happent? Are we? Are we seriously doubting what other people are saying happened because it’s not in the video? And they’re saying there were racial slurs which makes it clear racism.
I can’t get behind that idea that racism that doesn’t lead to shooting or maiming or death can somehow be slotted into the “not a lot of bad stuff” or not that bad camp. That’s an unacceptably low standard to hold. People who are not white should be able to just exist without being told they don’t belong somewhere. That’s not an experience a fifteen child should ever have. It’s not okay.
I can’t get behind that, either. Do you think that’s what I’m saying? That’s not at all what I meant or what I typed. Good grief.
I only watched the video. I’m going from the evidence I saw in the video, and my conclusion was I don’t know what motivated her. There’s no version of this where she’s a good person. It’s just what flavor of jerk she is. The fact that she also bit a cop suggests she’s not just the typical neighborhood busybody, but something worse.
No I don’t.
Part of that was actually in response to Timex, but in the CNN video, which is the actual linked video above, the newscaster specifically says the teen said she used racial slurs against him and hit him in the face. So to watch the video, the CNN video, the linked video in this topic and say there is no evidence of racism and no assault is to simply not believe the teen… for no reason at all except his phone didn’t capture everything.
If you start out with a racist system, any lack of change from that point onward is definitely racist.
OTOH, people suck, and things are the way they are because people want it that way. How do you fight that?
Dude, the woman didn’t assault the kid in that video.
Even if she didn’t touch him, probably legally she did assault him.
Also it looks like she hit the phone (at least) he was recording with, which is 100% assault, regardless of whether or not it didn’t look like assault to you.
And just because something isn’t recorded doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
There are likely witnesses.
It’s moot anyway since she apparently attacked the cops.
This isn’t about people sucking or being jerks or just being awful. Uncontrolled greed is awful. Lack of sympathy and empathy is awful. Throwing trash in the river is awful.
This is about the perception that some people are less than based on what they are, born characteristic, not like political choices or life choices. You fight that by not accepting less than or letting racists redefine racism until it’s more comfortable for them.
If someone looks at a pool of people, doesn’t recognize some of them but only takes their aggression on the black ones, that’s racism. If someone decides not to bag someone’s groceries because the person buying it is black, that’s racism. If some cop decides to shoot someone in the back and knows he will get away with it because the target is black, that’s racism AND violence AND a potentially murder, but it’s all based in racism They’re dismissing life, rights, and basic decency based on someone’s physical characteristics. None of that is okay. There’s really no such thing of this racism being not so bad and that racism being a lot worse because of the outcome. All of it needs to socially rejected as not okay. And we didn’t get the point we are today because people are openly shooting minorities in the street. We got here because of this other stuff some incorrectly attribute as somehow not so bad as the actual violence that makes the news.
Where the grey line exists is racist acts / ignorance vs. the actual person being basically embedded in racism. You can work with the former a lot easier than you can with the latter. Heck the former might not even realize they’re doing it, and if they are open to change, that’s good, but still hard work for everyone involved. The latter can be dangerous to work with, or even impossible for the average person. And while messages about Ghandi or reformed Neo-Nazis are an internet fav, the world isn’t made up of a couple billion Ghandis, and it’s not a reasonable ask to have every black person on the planet play nice with the Nazis. If someone wants to do that, wants to reform them, engage them, fine, but it is simply not a reasonable ask to expect every person faced with vile, hateful and threatening acts to simply do these magical and perfect things all in the hopes that one day all the effort might lead to reform instead of their murder.
It really is heartbreaking to see people question this young man’s version of the event despite knowing what we know about the woman, who later assaults the actual police and is now charged with assaulting the teen AND the police. She is clearly not an average, not a reasonable person… and he has some footage to go with it.
So many minorities can’t even tell people about their frequent, too frequent, encounters with racism, because the bar is so freaking high no one believes them, no one wants to believe them. And now what, we have to start recording the entire event or… it didn’t happen? Ugh.
And just in case it’s not clear, no I am not accusing anyone I am engaged with in this discussion or most the site as actually being racist. You’ll know if I think that because I will tell you, and there will be no doubt when I do. I am, however, challenging the perception that racism is ever minor or that any response towards it should be less than outrage.
If she attacked a car that had him in it it might also be considered assault, depending on the amount of force used.
Let he among us that has not accidentally tweeted “burn the Jews” cast the first stone.
Dibs!
Does it surprise anyone that Posobiec has been rooting for Russia in the World Cup?
I know that tying that stuff to logic is impossible, but…how could slavery possibly be socialist? It’s literally about owning other people?
I guess I could see an argument that socialism is slavery (subjugation of the individual to the masses). But not the other way around.
At some point Alex Jones has crossed a line and should probably be put into prison.